Should All Of NZ Be Giving Money To Auckland?

[AngelTwin]

Well, this is an on-going issue and it's ridiculous if you ask me, so I just thought I'd get a general opinion!!

The whole country has crap roads and dangerous roads in some places, so why should we have to pay so Auckland's workers don't have to sit in traffic?

I just think it's pretty poor that the whole country should have to pay for something that won't benefit them!!

Why should the whole country pay heaps towards the countries roads, only to have one city see most of that money??

[razool]

am i the only one that said moon buggies

[MrBob]

Well, this is an on-going issue and it's ridiculous if you ask me, so I just thought I'd get a general opinion!!

The whole country has crap roads and dangerous roads in some places, so why should we have to pay so Auckland's workers don't have to sit in traffic?

Why should the whole country pay heaps towards the countries roads, only to have one city see most of that money??

because Auckland has roughly 1/3 of NZs entire population, and Auckland city has NZs largest working population, therefore contributes the most amount of tax, it would seem only fair that its gets the greater share of the dosh to spend improoving infastructure thats having a tough time coping with the expanding population.

[MrOizo]

When other cities in NZ have MAJOR traffic problems we';ll be going through the same thing but based on another city...

If Aucklands economy is slowed down then NZ slows down.

Most over seas product comes through an Auckland port and forwardded onto other places in NZ...

i think you need to think about it a little...

i also think there spending money in the wrong places.

Like the money gained from speed cameras ($$200million) should go back into the roads asit was a fine from the road... but where else does it go? pocketed of course

[voltage]

cops give fines
people pay fines
cops use money to buy donuts and hire new cops
new cops give new fines to new people who pay new fines so more donuts and cops can be hired... blah blah blah

[AngelTwin]

Yeah, so if Auckland has 1/3 of the country's population, then their own taxes should be enough to cover their problems!! They shouldn't need help from the other third of the country!!

Aucklanders use Auckland Roads, so Auckland's petrol prices should rise to pay for it, coz most of the other third of NZ's population don't even use Auckland's Roads!!

[Dell'Orto]

This is exactly it...Auckland does have the majority of the population, therefore a 10c increase in petrol in Auckland alone would make up for a 5c increase around the entire country...hell, take it out of your politcians retirement funds, thats where half of the slush fund that could have been used for roading now is!

[PumpN]

Wellington has motorway issues of its own, its not just auckland which has problems, there is complete gridlock around plimmerton at peak time on weekdays, rows of cars stretching for kilometres and thats no joke, and why ohh why does wellington have lights in a 100kph zone of motorway (not complaining tho )

that and other roads in my area are absolutely shocking, it took months for transit to fix a decent sized pothole at the southern end of sh1 as it enters levin, during that time my boss was making a killing on tyres with stuffed sidewalls

im already paying 5c/litre to auckland and only auckland and the government wants me to pay another 5-15c/litre to auckland and maybe other places to if we are lucky, petrol is expensive enough and its not because of the arabs either somewhere around 50% yes 50% of what you pay for petrol is taxes in the form of petrol tax, gst, fix aucklands roads tax etc...

ohhh and another thing of the 120 million raised at one point last year through the 5c/l thing, only 11 million had been spent, the rest actually went into general funds

[Pies]

I WANT A DUNE BUGGY TOOOOO!!!!!

but seriosuly, i been in auckland traffic and its heaps worse than here in welly. but that dont mean that they have to raise the price of gas everyewhere. just raise it 10 cents in aucks. that will solve it 2 ways. some people will object and resort to pubic transport, lowering the amount of cars on the road, and they will also get money from the extra petrol tax to fix it.

petrol prices shouldnt be raised all over the country, thats a fuken crock of shit!

[diss7]

All I can say is, i personally don't mind paying 5c more for petrol when I know that If I lived in Auckland I'd be spending at least $200 on rent alone. I feel sorry for a lot of ppl in Auckland who are forced to pay ridiculas percentages of their wages on rent;

[turbo tezza]

Aucklander's should pay 4 their own roads. The rest of the country has their own problems, so they don't need to pay 4 auckland aswell.
If Auckland put up more toll roads, they could solve their problem in no time, but thats tooo logical!!!
The government would rather get the rest of the country to pay more taxes... as if we're not paying enough!!!
Petrol is tooo expensive now, and some of us don't even have the option of 98 octane fuel, so i say "PAY YOUR OWN WAY".

[B1NZ]

just raise it 10 cents in aucks. that will solve it 2 ways. some people will object and resort to pubic transport, lowering the amount of cars on the road, and they will also get money from the extra petrol tax to fix it.

petrol prices shouldnt be raised all over the country, thats a f**ken crock of sh*t!

I agree with stoopid

Have you aucklanders realised that there are people living south of the bombay hills? Have any of you been on the wellington - Napier highway latley? That road is f*ck*ed but there is no money to put into repairing it! Or quite a few places in the south island too, and wellington has problems too, but i disagree with putting $$ into roads to ease wellingtons peak traffic, it should be put into improving roads to prevent fatalities!!

And anyone that thinks all that tax should go towards your region so that you dont have to wait in a cue for 5 minutes:

Try carpooling!! Think about it: 4 people in each car instead of 1 how much traffic would that reduce! And as for the economy, who cares when the nz dollar gets too high people start moaning anyway

The only reason Wellingtons traffic isnt as bad as aucklands is that we have a resonable rail system which people actually use!

[Simon K]

Hmm, If it's Aucklands problem, I'd like to see all their local councils upping the rates/charges so a tax on the rest of the country would be a last resort(not sure if this is already done).

I know that the majority of industry is based in Orkland but if they want a change, they should be prepared to pay for it.

[Roush]

isn't the rest of new zealand getting like, 85% percent of this petrol rip off?

[driftah]

if u havent lived in Auckland city you dont even know how big the problem is so shut up.

if you want to see why the there is so much cars traffic just go down to the warf on kay st and look at all those cotaioners of cars. and then go to britomart and see that there is nobody there!!!!!!!!!!

[Dell'Orto]

if u havent lived in Auckland city you dont even know how big the problem is so shut up.

If you've never left Wellington city at 5pm on a Friday night you'd do well to take your own advice.

[Jingle Balls]

Hmm, If it's Aucklands problem, I'd like to see all their local councils upping the rates/charges so a tax on the rest of the country would be a last resort(not sure if this is already done).

I know that the majority of industry is based in Orkland but if they want a change, they should be prepared to pay for it.

Our local Councils have upped the rates allready. Some areas had a 300% increase or something.

And what about all the poor scumbags like myself, who only get 300km/tank, who dont even use the motorway, shud we be accountable for paying the bill just because we live in Auckland? Most of the traffic causing the problem work in the city, and have decent paying jobs, tax them and big businesses.

[PumpN]

the problem isn't that auckland has a problem and the rest of the country is moaning because something is being done about it, its that the rest of the country is being butt pummeled at the pumps because auckland has a problem, yes i have heard its bad, but as mmm'boost has pointed out its bad in wellington too and its getting worse every month, and im sure other cities like christchurch have similar problems, i have no objections what so ever about money being spent on auckland roads, infact i think most of the people here think its good that money is being spent on aucklands roads, its just that we down here aren't seeing any of our hard earned being spent on our roads which are bloody shocking, our petrol bill have gone up by 5c's a litre and are going to go up by another 5-15c's a litre next month and we have seen zero progress, nothing (apart from the now dubunked lindale project, fine waste of money that is)

thing i find funny is all the aucklanders who are complaining about the rest of the country, its not our fault your roads are congested so why the hell should i have to pay for them, i have never even been on your motorway, yet i pay for it everytime i need a tank of gas

if its anyones fault its the governments, instead of doing something about aucklands mess which they call a transport system and the even bigger joke they call a public transport system they instead twiddle their thumbs and call each other racist pigs because someones doing a little better in opinion polls then them, here are the facts over 100 million has already been made through petrol tax for poor poor aucklands messed up roads, not even 10% of that has even been spent on aucklands roads, where has all that money gone you ask? general funds, the same money that pays for ministerial cars, mp's perks, maori tv etc ....

nuff said

[jr007]

OK, you are all missing the point. I don't live in Auckland, I live in New Zealand. The road upgrades in Auckland are not so that we can all lower our cars another 50mm and avoid scraping. They are bieing done so that the billions of dollars wasted on lost time, delayed goods deliveries, and wasted petrol ca nbe reduced. It is aiming to increase the economic output of the city.

If you think your taxes are going to go to Auckland, your an idiot. Your taxes go to the government. They put it alllllllllllllllllllll into the consolidated fund. From there they first take, dole, DPB, sickness and welfare benifits, as well as Maori only benifits and grants.

What little is left is split between the rest of society for social services, and infrastructures, arts etc. BUT, this money also goes to the above people on top of their other hand outs.

SO, even though we all pay a huuuuuuuuuuge amount of taxes and fines on roading and transportation related areas, very little goes back into them. Auckland is hardest hit by this, as 1/3 of the country occupies about 5% of the countries roads.

Fixing the roads in AK will boost the economy for the entire country, and i'm all for that.

[MrOizo]

i thiunk the best way to solve this would be road toll's and have each stretch independently owned and user pays.

then its the person using the road is paying for it..

yipyip

petrol $$ comes down