3t turbo into ke25

[aaron]

Does anyone know how much would be involved in this conversion i have the oppertunity to buy one of these engines but im not to sure on how much will need to be modifyed to make it fit the ke25 engine bay

[bridgeport]

go ask this question on www.garagedori.com
cut mounts off x member weld 3t ones to it new radiator bigger fuel line serg tank or keep the fuel tank half full all the time celeca/supra disks struts lower arms with startlet tie rod ends , new exaust , shifter hole modified (?) new turbo cause they arnt flash not worth keeping
drive shaft cut and ballenced w55 gearbox or t50 diff from a corona possibly or similar
shit hot engine good luck

[Logan]

kinda like this???

http://classic-celica.50megs.com/photo2.html


Logan

one big phat wad of dosh would buy mine

[RS13]

Haha, thats a whoooole lotta engine for a little car! I considered putting a 3t turbs into my old TE71, but at the end of the day, they're a big, heavy, outdated motor.. and getting so thin on the ground, its possibly cheaper to get a CA18det and stick that in, as people are beginning to want too much for 3t's.. and CA's are smaller and lighter, and make more power anyway, it'd be rude not to.

So meh.

Thats a pretty hot SL coupe, Logan, you've had that for a few years now aye?

[Logan]

Yea bout 4 or 5 years now, and thats the age of those pics also, im currenty udnergoing another motor rebuild for the hell of it, with lotsa good bit, forgies, nice valves, 2tg head, bigger turbo, shot peened, blha blah blah, should be good for a couply hundred kw at the wheels
But got to many proejcts, the 18rg corona, the ta22. the crown and now the s12....

Logan

[Logan]

Oh just to be usefull to this thread, you can getting away without firewall choppage, but its tight, very tighter, remeber they also came out factory with a 2t in the states and jp. But genuine x-members are like hens teeth.
Anyway, need custom engine mounts, bigger tunnel if using a W box, fine if using a t box, can even get away with using a factory crossmemer on standard mounts

apart from that the usualy conversions shit thats been covered many many many seach many times before, fuel pump, fuel lines, surge tank, computer wiring.

will need new radiator, slimline, fans, i/c etc etc etc....

Hope this is a start...
plus then you gotta be able to stop the old girl, but thats a completly different story, Ive got an shortened 86 disc diff, with rx7 struts up front...

Cheers
Logan

[AE25]

on top you'll need the sway bar modified to clear the sump as the 2tg powered te27's have a different sway bar.
probly the best site for 3tgte into E2 corolla is toms site http://www.netwiz.net/~tcar/corolla.html
also 'the red rocket' http://www.onthenet.com.au/~paulp/corolla/
or check out some of these links http://www.arfabuck.orcon.net.nz/links.html

you can get away with using the later model 22spline T50 box with not much more than 200ponies. they're found on late '82 and '83 corolla te71 and 83-85 ta61/63 celica's. the ke25 gearbox crossmember can be moved back a set of holes and the t50 bolted in, then use the position to make engine mounts. find a larger driveshaft to suit and shorten it. a 4spd T40 box has 22spline yolk too. a w55 from the 3tgte will fit with a little panel beating of the gearbox tunnel but requires a custom gearbox crossmember also. theres not much room for an exhaust past the crossmember either. ul need a diff conversion coz the little std one wont last. at least go for a T series 6.7" diff minimum. these are narrow enough that will fit if fwd offset wheels are used or get flares fitted. id suggest a shortened toyota F series 7.5" diff if you can afford tho just to be reliable. ive snapped a couple of T series diff axles with the T motors. expect to pay quite a bit to complete the whole conversion properly and certify it. along with bolting the engine you need to consider ecu and loom, radiator, intake, exhaust, brakes and high pressure fuel system. the brakes for instance wont fit a twin master cylinder because of its positioning too close to the intake manifold. also they dont have a brake booster so using larger brakes could affect the pedal effort with the single brake master cylinder.
the weight of the 3tgte (close to 200kg) is another thing to consider. it wont handle as well as a lighter engine. a 4age is another consideration but is a similar amount of work to install as the 3tgt and less power. then a whole different story to turbo a 4ag(z)e properly. (which id prefer over the 3tgt in a ke25).
roy fordelsen has a te71 with 3tgte, now with T3 turbo 14psi boost, supra intercooler, bov etc but still using std T50 and T series open te71 disk brake diff. the te71 with that running gear will weigh around 1000kg compared to your ke25 which when done would weigh about 150kg less. so running gear would last a bit better.
the T engine is one of the more common engines to convert apart from a 5k. they came factory in japan with te27 chassis and the twin cam 2tg + t50 and T series diff so the E2 corolla is designed to fit a T engine. in usa they had a 2t-c pushrod.
some pics on roys te71 here http://www.arfabuck.orcon.net.nz/Gallery/Royte71.htm

oh and the early ca18det had less factory power than the factory 3tgte. the later ca18det a little more..
each engine has potential tho... ie the 3tgt has no intercooler, no BOV, a shit turbo and rich tuning... so fix those bits with an injector and fuel pressure upgrade and your lookin a 250+ horsies with the correct tuning. oh and a downside of the 3tgt is its age. its a 21yr old engine will need a reco if it hasnt already. you should be able to pick one up for around $700 with box and loom. keep an eye on the T&E.

[Logan]

Random story,
I had a misison with the sway bar, and while sifting around the wreckers i came across a half crushed ke25, NZ new and assembled one, and randomly enuf it had a te27 swaybar on it!!! had the center bit further foward to clear the sump! still really small and a upgrade is needed, but still bloody stoked!!

Logan

[AE25]

heh score!
i wander if theres a simple upgrade possible from another car?
anyone know?

[Logan]

i spent about 5 hours at the wreckers going over everyold toyota they had (and thats a fair few!!! ) and nothing was narrow enuf to fit, or have the bumps and bends in the right place to mount up properly. However the local spring engineering down here (chamberlins sp?) would make me a custom sway bar of any diamter for 150-200 bucks. I nearly went down this road then found the random one Might still get around to it. However if someone else finds somthing, let me know



Logan