just bought a 1993 1.5L caldina, wat mods to be made?

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just bought a 1993 1.5L caldina, wat mods to be made?

Postby moogoose77 » Tue May 17, 2005 9:07 am

it is fuel injected, and its single cam, mods i wanna make at the moment immediately is just the obvious, oil catch coke bottle, pod filter, exhaust... do any cars come factory with better flowing exhaust manifolds that bolt right on etc?

the sparky HT leads are very thin and have square plugs not the normal round ones, can i use the normal 8mm performance leads or?

also for future reference just wanted to know if there are any say, 2.0L toyota engines that would bolt straight in? i know a later model caldina has a 2000cc engine in it and also one with the 1800cc.. will either of these bolt to my gearbox and bolt straight in? would i need to change the ecu/wireing?

what are the caldina gearbox's like? they good n strong or do they crap out if you drive a lil rougher than the average nana?

i see the caldina has leaf springs in the back, if there a lowering kit i can buy that comes with 2 front springs and blocks for the back? where from?
-also what is the stud pattern on these? will my mazda's 17's fit on?

i know its heaps of questions but im new :oops:
any help would be awesome! Thanks
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Postby RomanV » Tue May 17, 2005 12:11 pm

I dont mean to sound negative, but I wouldnt bother!
I mean if you sold the car, and bought a new car with the money you got + the money you plan to spend on mods, you would have a far better car than if you modded the car you have. Remember that mods like a loud exhaust etc. significantly DECREASE the value of your car. (to the majority of the buying public!) You could buy a car that has more power than your car would after the mods, STANDARD. For a lot less money.

Why not get a car that is faster to start with? Keep in mind that there is a higher spec Caldina out there already! So you could buy one that is identical, with a better engine in it already. Which would save you a lot of $ and time.
Caldinas of that era also came with a 3sfe(economy) and 3sge(power) 2.0 litre engines. I would reccomend getting one of these!
Also, the engine you have is designed for economy, rather than power. What I mean is, its not a very good base to start from.

You will find that the car is designed to make peak power in the lower RPMs, where it is driven the most.
It is also designed to provide excellent fuel economy, which it does.
As such, the exhaust, cams, intake, extractors, etc. are all tuned to give optimum performance at this (lower) rev range.

So even if you decided to put on a bigger exhaust, pod filter etc. you will still find that the gains will be minimal. Since the cams are set to be optimally efficient at low RPMs, you wont get a huge power surge at higher RPM just by doing the exhaust/intake. I think you will find that at high RPM, it is the cam profile that is restricting the breathing, a lot more than the standard intake. putting on a bigger exhaust will make your car lose power down low, and you will not make much of a gain in the high RPM, as the engine isnt set up to make power in that range.

Also, it pays to note that an exposed pod filter in your engine bay is a lot WORSE than the standard intake. To the tune of losing a few hp. :(
In fact I have yet to see any conclusive evidence, that a pod filter actually provides a gain.

If you want to do these mods for the look and the sound, then fair enough. But if you are looking for a power increase, I wouldnt be too optimistic. Remember, you could spend thousands on hopping up your engine, and it could still perform worse than a standard higher displacement engine, which would bolt straight in, and retain its driveability.

If you really dont want to part with your car, (which is fair enough!) I would reccomend a 3sge engine swap. You can get 1990ish 3sges for rediculously cheap these days. I cant tell you if the gearbox is the same though. You would definitely need to replace the wiring loom/ECU!
If not more. I am doing an engine swap project, but I was lucky enough to get pretty much everything out of the engine bay.
Infact, if you were incredibly lucky, and you could actually find one, you could fit a 200hp redtop 3sge in there, from a 1998ish calidna. :twisted: However they are incredibly rare, you would have to be an incredible badass to own one. :twisted:

I am currently spending far too much, rebuilding a red top 3sge engine for my MR2.
Although its a cool, and relatively rare engine, (1000 made apparently) it probably still isnt as fast as an early turbo model.
Not to mention, that I could probably swap in a turbo motor for cheaper than the red top.
So why am I doing it? Im just stubborn I suppose. :)
So I completely understand if you dont want to change your car/engine. :) I also understand, why you would tinker for the sake of tinkering. :) It is fun to have a work in progress car.

So although I give reasonably sensible advice, I dont actually follow it myself, and spend money on stupid things. So take it as you will! Good luck with the Caldina, and welcome to toyspeed. 8)
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Postby moogoose77 » Tue May 17, 2005 12:31 pm

haha man i am very much the same eh! i bought this car as a reliable daily car because i currently have 3 mazda's that have all turned into projects so im getting rid of a few and supposed to have the 1 daily and 1 project car..

and yeh i did notice even the 1st time i drove it that it didn't like the high revs or seem to go anywhere if i rev'd it out a lil... ill just enjoy the econamy of it and maybe put a 3sge engine in it at the later date :D
where is a good place to get these engines from? do many caldina's appear in pick a part etc?

i put a capella engine in a familia and that went HARD! took two days hard work but was worth it :D

thanx for all your wisdom/advice man! im getting more knowledagable about the toyota engines everyday now :D
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Postby Silent Knight » Tue May 17, 2005 12:58 pm

moogoose77 wrote:do many caldina's appear in pick a part etc?


I would say that you would be very lucky to find a Caldina or one of the newer ones at pick a part. They are still newish cars and not that much of them around compared to your average teg, civic, fxgt etc etc so it would be allot harder to see one turn up at pick a part.
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Postby moogoose77 » Tue May 17, 2005 1:08 pm

yeh true.. hopefully i could find an older caldina/celica with a 3sge in it :)

whats the oldest model toyota that came out with a 3sge engine?
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Postby Silent Knight » Tue May 17, 2005 1:24 pm

AFAIK it would be the ST16* Celica. The ST165 came out with a Gen1 3SGTE so I would think that the ST162 came out with the 3SGE.

I am not 100% on the ST162 though...
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Postby RomanV » Tue May 17, 2005 1:48 pm

Dude I would try and get a 3sge from a 1990 shape Celica. (so long as it will fit!)

Because it is slightly more powerful than the earlier model celicas, as well as being far more common. I would imagine that they would go for quite cheap too, as there are heaps of them around. However Im not sure if the mounts between the celica and caldina are the same, you may need the 3sg(t)e mounts from a caldina to make it work. Also, it sounds like you will definitely need a new gbox. I think your best bet would be to try and find a cheap crashed celica, so you can use all of the bits that you would need. It can get expensive if you have to buy bits individually, especially from wreckers. Especially when they know that you need a certain part, they charge like a wounded bull. :evil:
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Postby RomanV » Tue May 17, 2005 1:51 pm

I had a quick browse through the t&e, you will have no problems finding an engine. You could get a donor car for abou $1000, and then you would definitely have everything you need.
But then you might turn the celica into a project too. :twisted:


heres some examples:

http://www.trade-exchange.co.nz/TEProje ... ID=7018352

http://www.trade-exchange.co.nz/TEProje ... ID=7005174
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Postby moogoose77 » Tue May 17, 2005 2:11 pm

But then you might turn the celica into a project too.


haha, so true :lol:

nah but seriously that sounds like a good plan! :D until i have a grand a buy a celica or similar ill just enjoy the cheap gas/slow nana driving from home to work :D

cheers guys!
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