Blinder laser jammer

[vhpacer]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/0001 ... 509618.htm

Has anyone got one of these? Opinions???
If the cop knew you had one are you in the shit? Cos he says you should switch it off after you slow down.
What radar/laser do they detect? hand held and the ones in the cars?

Thanks

[V8MOFO]

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this is just funny

[Muzzie]

My mates dad has a blinder on the front and rear of his Audio RS6, I'm not sure what brand it is but I have an inkoing its the same as that.

It works well for him anyways, he rips along at 140-150 most of the time and doesn't even slow down for a cop - even though it's plainly obvious he's going much faster than everyone else lol.

[method]

They are illegal too.

I also know someone with one, its on his 911 turbo, works well. Safest thing is to just not speed

[beeker]

They are illegal too.

I also know someone with one, its on his 911 turbo, works well. Safest thing is to just not speed

Wrong, no one has been prosecuted yet.

I have run the Blinder M10, and then M20 for over 5 years now on 4x different cars. They work VERY well, assuming they are setup correctly (the key).

They only work on Laser guns. You cannot defeat radar, but car detect it with a good radar detector.

[darkmyst]

perfect for your subaru evo gsr gtr gtb rsk gts hsv gtir gto gt rs gtb gtx gts gtir vr4 type r vti r31 r32 r33 r34 v6 v8 vtec vw s13 s14 s15 rx7 rx8 ek vt xr8 sl ss 6 speed 4AGE xr6 cv8 vr6 gtst gts4 TT 20v m3 merc bmw 911 cyborg mivec vtec civic skyline commodore falcon toyota land cruiser jeep jaguar prado prajero altezza lexus etc

this is just funny

He didn't even write corolla but he writ "land cruiser"...

Yeah I can't speed anyway so I don't need one of those

[BlakJak]

They are illegal too.

I also know someone with one, its on his 911 turbo, works well. Safest thing is to just not speed

Wrong, no one has been prosecuted yet.

I have run the Blinder M10, and then M20 for over 5 years now on 4x different cars. They work VERY well, assuming they are setup correctly (the key).

They only work on Laser guns. You cannot defeat radar, but car detect it with a good radar detector.

its not wrong because noones been caught????

It operates in part of the radio spectrum, you'll probably find theres a licensing requirement that transmitters must not deliberately interfere with other users of the spectrum.

(and laser light has a wavelength, just like RF... )

So erm, yeah, whilst noones been prosecuted yet, its the kinda thing that'll just make the cops work harder to nail you for something. Better just not to speed...

[Muzzie]

To be honest, if you did a good job of installing it, a cop would have to look pretty hard to find it.

Mates dads RS6 has them in the grille part of the front and rear bumper, pretty damn obvious, but if you looked at them, they just look like parking sensors, and the wiring for them disappears into the factory loom.

[beeker]

They are illegal too.

I also know someone with one, its on his 911 turbo, works well. Safest thing is to just not speed

Wrong, no one has been prosecuted yet.

I have run the Blinder M10, and then M20 for over 5 years now on 4x different cars. They work VERY well, assuming they are setup correctly (the key).

They only work on Laser guns. You cannot defeat radar, but car detect it with a good radar detector.

its not wrong because noones been caught????

It operates in part of the radio spectrum, you'll probably find theres a licensing requirement that transmitters must not deliberately interfere with other users of the spectrum.

(and laser light has a wavelength, just like RF... )

So erm, yeah, whilst noones been prosecuted yet, its the kinda thing that'll just make the cops work harder to nail you for something. Better just not to speed...

With all respect, your comments don't make sense. Radar is radio, and laser is light. You need a broadcasting licence for radio, you need No license for broadcasting light.

From what I have been told the only possible stance the police can use is "stopping the police from performing their duty". This is a possible gotya and mechanism for a ticket, but as stated prior, to the best of my knowledge no one has been prosecuted. Various revisions of effective Laser jammers have been in NZ for over 8 years.

PS. I don't encourage speeding or reckless driving, but don't like the idea of police revenue gathering either.

[beeker]

To be honest, if you did a good job of installing it, a cop would have to look pretty hard to find it.

Mates dads RS6 has them in the grille part of the front and rear bumper, pretty damn obvious, but if you looked at them, they just look like parking sensors, and the wiring for them disappears into the factory loom.

I've done some extensive testing on my last two cars with a test laser gun. I found that descrete and recessed installations actually reduce the effectiveness. You need to ensure that the alignment is 100% correct, but also that you have a decent gap above the unit. If not, the gun operator can get a reading off the top of the window.

these two installs worked well:

[pidge]

its not wrong because noones been caught????

It operates in part of the radio spectrum, you'll probably find theres a licensing requirement that transmitters must not deliberately interfere with other users of the spectrum.

(and laser light has a wavelength, just like RF... )

Bzzzt, wrong. Light, although being part of the EM spectrum (from 0 Hz through to Gamma waves), is not a Radio wave. Different and incompatible mechanisms are used to transmit and receive RF and Light.

I'd recommend a little reading on the subject, say in Wikipedia.

However, if a police officer wished to charge you, they could perhaps bring a charge of interferring with their duties, rather than interferring with their equipment. You'd probably find that an over-powerd remote control (you know, one which could change your TV's channel from a mile away ) would interfere with the LIDAR guns...

However, don't bother speeding, and don't forgot to write complaints to the police about the drivers you encounter who don't seem to be able to drive competantly e.g. drives at 80 on the open road, without pulling over to let the mile-long queue behind them past, or the ones that can't drive around corners (because they drive a falcoon or common-whore )

[BlakJak]

its not wrong because noones been caught????

It operates in part of the radio spectrum, you'll probably find theres a licensing requirement that transmitters must not deliberately interfere with other users of the spectrum.

(and laser light has a wavelength, just like RF... )

Bzzzt, wrong. Light, although being part of the EM spectrum (from 0 Hz through to Gamma waves), is not a Radio wave. Different and incompatible mechanisms are used to transmit and receive RF and Light.

I'd recommend a little reading on the subject, say in Wikipedia.

I realise the technological differences.
My point - which you've overlooked in favour of trying to be a smartarse - is that equipment which is designed to actively interfere with other equipment is almost always illegal and I was trying to paint a picture which is within the spirit of the law.
And yes I dumbed down my anology.

Extensive googling reveals that Laser Jamming is 'quasi legal', mostly because proving that someone is actually doing it deliberately is all-but impossible.

Doesn't make it right. And one day there'll be a case which establishes case law for the use of active laser jammers.

Active radar Jammers are probably illegal here as the equipment is not type approved by the MeD. If not for that reason, then probably becuase the band in which that Speed Radar operates in NZ is licensed to the NZ Police and you wouldnt get permission from them to use it! Refer http://www.radardirect.co.nz/FAQ/faq.html for a similar anology.

Laser jammers are different because theyre light, and not radio, Yes.
Currently legislation doesnt really deal with their use. That'll change over time, but currently theyre not illegal in a literal sense.

Doesnt mean that its a good idea to use them, though.

[Muzzie]

Yeah Beeker, mates dads is like the ones on the Ford. But the grille for his bumper is further forward so the fronts fo the blinders just stick out, clearly visible and not blocked by anything, but more factory original looking than the two you have there, which are fairly obvious that they are aftermarket

[ollieboy]

its not wrong because noones been caught????

It operates in part of the radio spectrum, you'll probably find theres a licensing requirement that transmitters must not deliberately interfere with other users of the spectrum.

(and laser light has a wavelength, just like RF... )

Bzzzt, wrong. Light, although being part of the EM spectrum (from 0 Hz through to Gamma waves), is not a Radio wave. Different and incompatible mechanisms are used to transmit and receive RF and Light.

I'd recommend a little reading on the subject, say in Wikipedia.

I realise the technological differences.
My point - which you've overlooked in favour of trying to be a smartarse - is that equipment which is designed to actively interfere with other equipment is almost always illegal and I was trying to paint a picture which is within the spirit of the law.
And yes I dumbed down my anology.

Extensive googling reveals that Laser Jamming is 'quasi legal', mostly because proving that someone is actually doing it deliberately is all-but impossible.

Doesn't make it right. And one day there'll be a case which establishes case law for the use of active laser jammers.

Active radar Jammers are probably illegal here as the equipment is not type approved by the MeD. If not for that reason, then probably becuase the band in which that Speed Radar operates in NZ is licensed to the NZ Police and you wouldnt get permission from them to use it! Refer http://www.radardirect.co.nz/FAQ/faq.html for a similar anology.

Laser jammers are different because theyre light, and not radio, Yes.
Currently legislation doesnt really deal with their use. That'll change over time, but currently theyre not illegal in a literal sense.

Doesnt mean that its a good idea to use them, though.

My brother works for Radio Spectrum Management in the Ministry of economic developement and he has told me that every electrical thing emits a frequency that needs to be approved by them that it is allowed to use that frequency to broadcast on. For example a computer monitor if working properly will emit the right frequency but if it is damaged it will emit a different one that is reserved for something else like say a Tv channel and then people around the house that has the monitor will start to have a bad tv channel. After that they ring up RSM and they send round a guy who checks round the houses and tells the person to get their computer monitor fixed.

The same would apply to these machines, they would be an electrical appliance that will use a frequency and this frequency would need to be approved by RSM for use and it hasn't therefore it is illegal to use them. Although I know that there are people at RSM who look at Trade me most of their day looking for illegal items that cannot be sold or used in NZ so if this were illegal I am sure the RSM guys would have picked it up.

[BlakJak]

I have a lot to do with the Radio Spectrum and you're basically right,

All electrical equipment is supposed to meet a standard that ensures they do not generate a high amount of RFI (Radio Frequency Interference).

That isnt quite the same as the issues around a Laser Jammer in the technical details, although an authoritive comment from them would be entertaining I'm sure. I might ask a mate of mine who is a Radio Inspector what his thoughts are.

Technically speaking though, the RFI created by an electronic device and the effects of a deliberately emmitted burst of EM are slightly different and would be administered differently - eg, one is deliberate and avoidable, the other is accidental and unlikely to be known untill someone complains and its investigated.

(A bit like me having a TV that causes interference with the local radio station, vs me having a radio transmitter that deliberately interferes with a commercial radio station.)

(My RFI friend tells a story of a phantom signal that was interfereing with some equipment in the SkyTower radio transmission area, which was eventually traced to an imported, and not-NZ-Legal, band expander in a car which was powered even when the key was out. They couldnt work out why the interference seemed to dissapear roughly at the end of each business day... took quite a while to trace. Expander was confiscated.)

[vhpacer]

My mates dad has a blinder on the front and rear of his Audio RS6, I'm not sure what brand it is but I have an inkoing its the same as that.

It works well for him anyways, he rips along at 140-150 most of the time and doesn't even slow down for a cop - even though it's plainly obvious he's going much faster than everyone else lol.

Thats the go
Might have to invest in one
It will pay for itself in no time

[BigDon]

My mate who owns Installer Services in Wellington has just got a distributorship for these Blinders so if any one is interested I could ask him about a group buy price?

[pidge]

All electrical equipment is supposed to meet a standard that ensures they do not generate a high amount of RFI (Radio Frequency Interference).

That isnt quite the same as the issues around a Laser Jammer in the technical details, although an authoritive comment from them would be entertaining I'm sure. I might ask a mate of mine who is a Radio Inspector what his thoughts are.

Yup, thats right. But Infrared (which the LIDAR uses, and Blinder uses as well) is not "Radio Frequency"... RSM (Radio Spectrum Management, part of the Ministry of Economic Development) only deal with the licensing of the Radio Spectrum, not the entire EM Spectrum.

From the [url=http://www.legislation.govt.nz/libraries/contents/om_isapi.dll?clientID=1667301124&hitsperheading=on&infobase=pal_statutes.nfo&jd=a1989-148%2fs.2&record={2F5118A6}&softpage=DOC]Radio Communications Act 1989[/url], section 2, clause 1:

``radio waves'' means electromagnetic waves of frequencies lower than 3000 gigahertz, propagated in space without artificial guide

3000GHz is in the upper end of "far infrared", around 100micrometres.

The infrarad used in LIDAR is around 1 micrometer wavelength, so well out of the scope of the RCA 1989.

The "quasi-legal" status for LIDAR jammers/ blinders is due to there being no current laws that directly ban them being on the books, but there being the possiblity of banning based solely on the "interference of a police officer's duties" charge. But that's going to be difficult to prosecute, and will not result in taking a persons driver's license off them for speeding.

[vhpacer]

Yeh that would be good

[BlakJak]

pidge: As an RSM license holder I have some idea what they get up to, and I realise they don't license the whole EM spectrum.
I guess my last post wasnt clear enough in the 'I realise the differences' side of things.

Good spotting re the legally defined edge of the 'radio waves' though.