TO4E on GZE

[strx7]

a T28 from a GTiR will get you your target HP

Are you sure about that? He said he's looking for 250-300hp, and the GTi-R isn't 250hp stock and the SR20 is a 2 litre..... The S15 uses a BB T28 (almost the same as the GTi-R one) and makes 250hp stock... But again, is the same SR20.

We're talking about an engine that's 400cc smaller as well... You'd have to seriously work the engine to pump the boost up to make that sort of power with that turbo, wouldn't you?

you dont understand what makes HP do you? CFM = HP, end of story.
yes its usually found on a 2 litre engine, which makes it IDEAL for a performance turbo on a 1.6. a 1.6 revs more than a 2 litre does. And being behind a 1.6 means you dont get instant boost like a PRODUCTION car does. std turbo's are sized for instant responce, low boost thresh hold low RPM torque etc which isn't what we want on a performance 4 cylinder is it? we want to rev it to 8000 and make power from 4-8000rpm

[Bazda]

a T28 from a GTiR will get you your target HP

Are you sure about that? He said he's looking for 250-300hp, and the GTi-R isn't 250hp stock and the SR20 is a 2 litre..... The S15 uses a BB T28 (almost the same as the GTi-R one) and makes 250hp stock... But again, is the same SR20.

We're talking about an engine that's 400cc smaller as well... You'd have to seriously work the engine to pump the boost up to make that sort of power with that turbo, wouldn't you?

250hp is easy as with a t28!!

[Crucible]

e /b /s also refers to the blade pitch and design ...(trim)

b is basically a crapper

e is not so bad

s is where its at

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Check this link,

http://www.westcoast-turbo.com/turboa.html

Scroll to the bottom of the page. Good comparison of the Three T04B -T04E - T04S Housings and Trim etc.
The T04S does look Nice, What do they mean by a (60 - 1)? maybe only available in "60" Trim???

TNT

[vvega]

lol the s is the trim on the gt series compressors
the e trim is like 20 years old
the b trim is 40


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[Crucible]

lol the s is the trim on the gt series compressors
the e trim is like 20 years old
the b trim is 40


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Ahhhh Ok....I see , So Gt as in ballbearing type.... right???
What are they referring to by (T3/60 - 1), excuse my Limited Turbo Knowledge


TNT

[vvega]

its a hybrid turbo
its a t3 exhaust wheel and a gt compressor

yes the gt is bb but that dosent stop you from useing the compressor wheels on hybrid

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[dash]

don't fall into the hyped up overated gt/bb horseshit.
Look around and see how much they really haven't advanced the game.
Durability... perhaps. Hp.... a bit.
I've seen no gt25/28 variant match the evoIII 16g the u.s. mitsu guys run - Dyno OR ET... yet that "old pos turbo" costs HALF the price... Wow, isn't technology grand! (why, because they told us so?)

Only the GT with a "R" on the end are ball bearing.
Actually, a couple GT combos do run t04B compressor wheel.

60-1 is an old John Deer tractor wheel. So what. How many 10sec 4 and 6cyl street car monsters have we seen those on ? Lots

[Akane]

R means ball bearing, S means a special wheel varient/trim/whatever that they already have.

dash, sounds like you got caught up with the American craze, the "EVO 3 BIG 16G" crap.

[vvega]

don't fall into the hyped up overated gt/bb horseshit.
Look around and see how much they really haven't advanced the game.
Durability... perhaps. Hp.... a bit.
I've seen no gt25/28 variant match the evoIII 16g the u.s. mitsu guys run - Dyno OR ET... yet that "old pos turbo" costs HALF the price... Wow, isn't technology grand! (why, because they told us so?)

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60-1 is an old John Deer tractor wheel. So what. How many 10sec 4 and 6cyl street car monsters have we seen those on ? Lots

lol what a complete load of shit

a 60-1 has a s series wheel

i think youve read to much preformance car and a not enough race car technolagys

bb has been round for a decade or so and has originated from old ratterly excavators

i think you need to o a searh on 60-1 tubo's you might find a lot of 600+ hp cars

stop talking such $&#$% dribble

[vvega]

R means ball bearing, S means a special wheel varient/trim/whatever that they already have.

dash, sounds like you got caught up with the American craze, the "EVO 3 BIG 16G" crap.

hell be telling us about 450hp twin entre ct26's next

[Akane]

R means ball bearing, S means a special wheel varient/trim/whatever that they already have.

dash, sounds like you got caught up with the American craze, the "EVO 3 BIG 16G" crap.

hell be telling us about 450hp twin entre ct26's next

You think you know everything, you do know the odd bullsh1t faq here and there, you can doubt me like the rest, but you'll just end up eating your own words

"S" = used for units which require some differentiation from units in the same family

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... asics.html

oh btw.

"The GT28RS is just a T28 turbo, I got one right here which you can have for $xxx!!!"

Sound familiar?

[dash]

spot on (as u say it) Akane
I wouldn't call it an e16 'craze' crap. A good thing, certainly.
A bolt-on, internally gated $460 turbo that has moved several heavy 31-3350 pound 2L street cars into the 11.8 to 11.4sec quarter mile zone and dyno'd 400+ to the wheels is exceptional, don't you think ?
Here is a challenge to any of you;
If you know of something comparable, tell us about it. I luv to learn.

vega,
relax yourself, read properly and stop posting stupid sh1t... if u can.

I mentioned the orgin of the 60-1 wheel that has proven itself from years ago, over and over, to4B. Refute it, only shows your ignorance or lack of knowledge.

I'm also a starion owner. Our u.s. model 2.6L SOHC widebody weighs 3150 pounds. The majority of these heavy arse 11.2-11.4sec cars run old t04B turbos (V-trim & 60-1) with excellent response. What else do u expect a dam turbo to do ??
What idiot would sit there and call t04B wheels crap ?

I said "gt bb" hype, u jack a55... u know like the infamous "disco potatoe" etc... Seen any "hype" on 'rattly old excavators' ???
I made no comment on how far back bb went, now did I.

In the context of this post ALL my reference has been to street cars.
Why would anybody here be speaking 'race car technolagys' dummy ?? Especially the original topic starter. And I don't 'read about 'em", I build them.

[vvega]

R means ball bearing, S means a special wheel varient/trim/whatever that they already have.

dash, sounds like you got caught up with the American craze, the "EVO 3 BIG 16G" crap.

hell be telling us about 450hp twin entre ct26's next

You think you know everything, you do know the odd bullsh1t faq here and there, you can doubt me like the rest, but you'll just end up eating your own words

"S" = used for units which require some differentiation from units in the same family

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... asics.html

oh btw.

"The GT28RS is just a T28 turbo, I got one right here which you can have for $xxx!!!"

Sound familiar?

what the $&#$% are you on
i never disputed what you said i agreed with you in everyway

i think you reading needs some work

as for eating my words ???
i know what your disco potato goes like
i know what you said was true(thats why i backed you up)

so perhap you will the person eating your words

lastly
you know i dont read FAQ's so why bulshit to attack me ??
i know what i know from doing things not sitting on here talking bout it
you of all people would know that


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[vvega]

has been to street cars.
Why would anybody here be speaking 'race car technolagys' dummy ?? Especially the original topic starter. And I don't 'read about 'em", I build them.

$&#$% go to 3rd post at the start and look at the 60-1 they have advertised

thast what we have been discussin
its states it has a s series wheel


Garrett T3/60-1 Turbo

-Rebuilt Garrett T3/T04S (60-1) Turbocharger
-60 Trim Compressor Wheel
-.70 A/R Compressor Housing**
-.48, .63 or .82 A/R Turbine Housing Option
-Stage 1, 2 or 3 Turbine Wheel
-Internal Wastegate Option (.48 A/R Housing Only)

Price: $589



or is reading to hard for you
i never refueted in fact i stated that they comonly used on high hp cars
again you cant read
what is your issue ???

you dont read and your posting dribble agasint what ive said and then saying the same thing ??

and lastly preformace car is the biggest load of shit on the market

if you wanna learn like you say you do go get a decent publication and learn something

i dont believe you build race cars based on what you have said
and i do agree and always have bb turbo's are only as good and a well setup bushed turbo

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[no_8wire]

R means ball bearing, S means a special wheel varient/trim/whatever that they already have.

dash, sounds like you got caught up with the American craze, the "EVO 3 BIG 16G" crap.

hell be telling us about 450hp twin entre ct26's next

He was agreeing with you?

[Crucible]

R means ball bearing, S means a special wheel varient/trim/whatever that they already have.

dash, sounds like you got caught up with the American craze, the "EVO 3 BIG 16G" crap.

hell be telling us about 450hp twin entre ct26's next

He was agreeing with you?

This is just a typical example of text coming across totally wrong, just like phone txting, you cant express yourself with words - I get this all the God Damn time when Im txt mates, they can take it totally the wrong way to what youve intended - F$@#N pain in the ass!

TNT

[Akane]

My sincere apologies if you meant to agree with me.

It's just that a certain regular poster who has repeatedly said crap about me and the CT26, I admit I'm oversensitive over this topic when people say "Akane and his CT26 huh? Remember that".

OK?

[Bazda]

damn everyone have a cry!!

[dash]

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I build street cars only, that I can enjoy everyday

you quoted my post calling it "a complete load of sh*t".
Pick ONE single bit of misinformation in that quote. Just one
If you don't find it, then you are a fool.

my 60-1 comments directed more at the stupid advise you're giving;
>>"b is basically a crapper
e is not so bad
s is where its at"

I feel sorry for those who don't know any better and read this rubbish.
Does more harm than good, *acting* as if you're clued in.

One would never post that crap above, if they're aware of the countless excellent performing 1.6L street cars in existence using t3/t04b & e hybrids - from low boost 14sec, right down to high boost hi 10sec zone.

No clue on what you're "dribbleing" about... yet you wrecklessly make wack recommendations and suggest that *other folks* read and do research.... while you clearly are lost ? Must make u 'feel smart', eh

[vvega]

lol i think you are the one that is confused
but hey i was talking bout the effecency of the blade profiles
most if not all b profile blades are Inefficient in the higher pressure ranges
the be wheels were never designed fo petrol engines and have a very narrow effecency range to match the engines they were designed for
basically above 10 psi they start to become, Inefficient

YES you can make good hp with them but why would you when you can put a e Wheel on there and make more hp strait off



a to4e wheel is and has far more in comon with a modern wheel
the efficientcy range can go all the way to 30 psi
it is lighter and normally will spool faster than a to4b

a s wheel is garrets latest blade profile and is currently there most efficient prolfile thay have
out of the 3 types of compressor you will make the most power with this blade

when your making a hybrid you make it to suit the application

the B wheels were never designed fo petrol engines

you match turbo's to engine you dont just stick em on and hope for the best

the gt cores sre good
couple with a well mached hybrid and you have a turbo that will spool a little bit better
great for people tring to get that last bit out of there cars without going to big and having to deal with the compronmises

yes perhaps i should have been more informative in my post and posted why for my reasoning
i also only read one bit of your post and responed to that
in fact re reading your post mine was quite off the wall
gt turbo's unless thee unsantiioned turbo's wont have b compressors

i dont have a paticular turbo i like
i just use what i have to to do the job

the evo turbo's are good but they seam to have a week core
i know of a few that have colaped under high boost

if i wanna feel smart ill pop out the garage and do some work on the cars i have in there
i have no inrest in proving anything to anyone i just do what i do





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