blacktop peformance improvements

[vteckiller]

HI, i got a black top levin,i wanna make sum peformace upgrades, wanna gt to top end alot quiker, show em 1800doch vtec wots up!dont want the usualys like pod and exhaust, wanna get into sum race cams etc... but at the same time dont wanna go over board in the money department, if anyones got good peformance parts or no's how to increase powa on these ngines do let me no.

[Grrrrrrr!]

cams and headwork are the best bet.. however if you go away from standard you are going to need to sort out fueling and spark... which would mean an aftermarket computer of some description

as for cams..
Kelfords http://www.camshaftshop.com/
Toda htp://www.fortyone.co.nz <-- toyspeed sponsor

oh, and the search function is your friend, its been covered before

[Mr Revhead]

start with $$$$$$$

end up with hp (hopefully) and $

[Silent Knight]

First and foremost, Mr vteckiller, use the damned SEARCH function.

20Vs have been discusses to death in the tech section. How do you expect to get anything done anyway without even wanting to do simple things like POD and exhaust?

And to finish off, would you please take the time to read my signature and try to comply.

[Akane]

Blacktop outpower-ing a B18C? As much as I hate Honduhs, it's kinda hard without wards of cash.

There was a blacktop at trackday a while back that was running circles around B18C's.... backwards! But I didn't get a chance to talk with that guy to see what he's done. But it looks like a hardout racer.

And to get those power, your engine will render very undriveable on the street.

May I suggest a 4AGZE turbo swap?

[tomo1985]

The problem with the blacktop is its already has the bolt on modifications done to it, only leaving the internals to play with and the head work meaning $$$$$$.

[pc]

Put a B18c in your levin. it'll be cheaper.

[tomo1985]

Sell you motor buy a gze front cut. Install everything then remove the supercharger and turbocharge it. If you wanna run some big numbers rebuild with creillo rods and JE pistons, put a flowed 20valve head on good size intercooler, bigger fuel pump and the rest, injectors new computer. Then you will kill them vtecs

[RedMist]

The problem with the blacktop is its already has the bolt on modifications done to it, only leaving the internals to play with and the head work meaning $$$$$$.

Headwork? Yeah? What exactly can you do to the Blacktop... because when we flowed it, we found sweet fluck all.

Anyway, your not talking about spec racing, so I gather you're attempting to race on the street. So.... yeah I pod filter will be good for at least 20 hp, remove the airbox and trumpets... thats good for at least another 20 and of course if you want real HP replace the extractor set, with a very exensive HPC coated 4-1. Forget the cams thats all rice.

Beat them hondas for sure.

[Chickenman]

Headwork? Yeah? What exactly can you do to the Blacktop... because when we flowed it, we found sweet fluck all.

Truely? or is that in the same vain as the rest of your post?

[Drifter4ag]

you guys are freaking dicks ..
just point em to the search in a nice way. just cos youve seen the post a million times doesnt mean someone wont answer his questions ..

Blacktop is fine...
get yourself some decent suspension & wheel /tyre combo
they are pretty high up on power for a 1600 anyway . .
buy some big cams .. trd .5mm headgasket .. aftermarket ecu .. and that should sort you a wee bit

[sergei]

don't forget to get better conrods if you going raise the rev limiter...

[RedMist]

Headwork? Yeah? What exactly can you do to the Blacktop... because when we flowed it, we found sweet fluck all.

Truely? or is that in the same vain as the rest of your post?

Actually no. Open combustion chamber means no valve masking, casting is beautiful so nothing really to clean up. The port dividers can do with some minor work, and there is a slow in velocity just before the port choke... all in all fluck all in way of performance increases.... that we got anyway.

[RedMist]

you guys are freaking dicks ..
just point em to the search in a nice way. just cos you’ve seen the post a million times doesnt mean someone wont answer his questions ..

Blacktop is fine...
get yourself some decent suspension & wheel /tyre combo
they are pretty high up on power for a 1600 anyway . .
buy some big cams .. trd .5mm headgasket .. aftermarket ecu .. and that should sort you a wee bit

Its not so much the post, its the inference of the post. Its obvious he wants to go out and street race Hondas. You think its wise to encourage that?
Drifter, seriously what do you think big cams do? I wouldn’t go near the street with the Bunderson engine. It would be embarrassing and irritating. Admittedly a mild increase in lift and duration may be streetable, but I'd still put my money on the VVT enabled, stock cam engine.

And I would think that a TRD headgasket would reduce overall power in a pump fuel car. The blacktop is already a high compression engine. Too high for NZ fuels, hence RevHead notes performance increases by retarding ignition. Increase compression further and you'll need to either run a higher octane fuel Like 100-110 av gas or 76 racing. Or you could run it on pump fuels and decrease the advance... and loose horsies.

The Blacktop is a very good performance engine stock. Unfortunately the next step isnt such a step as a giant leap. Cams, verniers, ECU, rods, perhaps pistons, machining it costs a tonne.

[Lanius]

you guys are freaking dicks ..
just point em to the search in a nice way. just cos you’ve seen the post a million times doesnt mean someone wont answer his questions ..

Its not so much the post, its the inference of the post. Its obvious he wants to go out and street race Hondas. You think its wise to encourage that?

Not to mention its a) kinda hard to miss the big sticky at the top of the tech forum page, and b) everyone is a lot less inclined to bother helping someone who can't be bothered typing out their query / request properly.

I'm sure you'll understand that it gets pretty boring repeating the same things over and over again, every time someone comes in and says "I want my cheap engine to beat an expensive, bigger engine, but I don't want to spend money on it LOL LOLZ!!!1"

[vteckiller]

yea, wot i do with my car, weatha i race it on the roads or trak is my own business, im not a idiot, if i knew to clik on the search button to find this shit owt, i wudve, wudnt i?! i didnt mean i dont wanna spend 200bux and gt a supa car, i jst wanna gt good stuf cheap like every1, basicaly, from wot i gather, i shall get good extractors,ignition, and a piggy back air and fuel pc? already gt the usuals as in pod and exhaust

[Lanius]

yea, wot i do with my car, weatha i race it on the roads or trak is my own business, im not a idiot, if i knew to clik on the search button to find this sh*t owt, i wudve, wudnt i?! i didnt mean i dont wanna spend 200bux and gt a supa car, i jst wanna gt good stuf cheap like every1, basicaly, from wot i gather, i shall get good extractors,ignition, and a piggy back air and fuel pc? already gt the usuals as in pod and exhaust

I'm sorry, I don't understand that garbled rubbish you call a post.

SEARCH ... now that you know that the search function is there (the button that says "SEARCH" on it), and that there is probably more information about modifying 4AGEs than anything else in this forum, why are you still asking? Do you expect someone here to find the information for you and lay it all out on a silver tray? If you can't figure the search function out with the explanation given in the search thread, you shouldn't even be driving a car, nevermind modifying an engine (I already think you'd have trouble reading the Rode Code if thats how you type all the time).

/rant

[Mr Revhead]

throw away the pod
put the airbox back in, and fit a k&n panel filter
duct air to the box.
run it on 98
leave the stock exhaust manifold there
replace the 2-1 section with an improved design
fit oil catch can that feeds from ALL outlets in the head

next step is fit full ecu etc