Caldina GT-T Engine types, and models

[WanaGo]

Hey,

Done searching, but failed to find any information about the different types of Caldina engines there are out there.

Does anyone know what is in the 97 and 98 Caldina GT-T's, and if the engines are different between the manual, auto, and tiptronic versions?

Also - how many different versions of Caldina are there? I take it there are a few, since the centre console varies between the same year and transmission (so they came with options when new?)

Any info would be really appriciated.

Thanks
WanaGo

[WanaGo]

Sorry for my ignorance, im not that familiar to Caldinas, or Toyotas for that matter - can someone fill me in please.

This is one of the cars I am looking at:
Click Me for Link

On one of the links I found on Toyspeed, it states this.

Engine 3S-GTE
Type DOHC
Cyl/Angle 4/50
Year 98
Disp. 1998
BHP 260@6000
Torque (lb/ft) 239@4400
Bore 86
Stroke 86 (Caldina GT-T Japan)

Is this relevant to the engine and car shown in the picture? Is the car in the pic just a everyday Caldina GT-T?

Thanks
WanaGo

[MasCam]

Try here

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/toyota/caldina/1997_9/

A search should have bought up a lot of posts with this information in it,

There is a good post in the FAQ section on these engines.

http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=29062

chris

[WanaGo]

Thanks.

But how do you know which Gen engine is which?

1998 GT-T with Tiptronic box, what would that be?
Is Gen 3 like year x to year y, and Gen 4 is year y to year z etc?

Forgive the ignorance - this is my first Toyota.

Cheers
WanaGo

[Silent Knight]

As far as I know the 3S-GTE that came out with the Caldina is all Gen4s...

[TWSTD]

Yes, all ST215w caldinas have the same 3sgte (gen4) engine. In fact the ST246 also has the same engine - thats the next shape up. Yes there were also factory options - some have trip computers, other like mine have another glove box in that location.

[WanaGo]

Awesome, ta.

Engine BHP and Kw rating.
After reading numerous websites about the claimed HP etc of these cars, most of them have a figure stated around this:

Horsepower 257.00 HP (189.2 KW) @ 6000.00 RPM
Torque 239.00 Ft-Lbs (324.1 NM) @ 4500.00 RPM

But then I look on this site, and the figures seem to be alot lower, from people who have put their cars on the dyno etc. Is this correct, or am I reading something incorrectly?

What is the HP or KW for a 98 GT-T? Both Manual and Tiptronic, if someone has the figures. Just approximate - not wanting a brag session, just want to know in general.

Thanks heaps

WanaGo

[TWSTD]

those figures are correct. Thats at the fly not the wheels remember...

[MasCam]

Actually the ST246 engine does have some changes to it. If it makes much difference or not is another story.

Chris

[fivebob]

Actually the ST246 engine does have some changes to it. If it makes much difference or not is another story.

The only major difference is the intake manifold, there may be minor internal changes but they make no difference to the rated HP & Torque.

[Inane]

Actually the ST246 engine does have some changes to it. If it makes much difference or not is another story.

The only major difference is the intake manifold, there may be minor internal changes but they make no difference to the rated HP & Torque.

and an extra bolthole in the exhaust manifold to correct a well know problem

[WanaGo]

and an extra bolthole in the exhaust manifold to correct a well know problem

Um.... can you shed me some light on this problem please?
Is it to do with broken studs, or gaskets....? At a guess, the newer models have an extra bolt hole to secure the manifold on better, to stop this happening?.... just a guess.

Is this still an issue for a 98?

Cheers
WanaGo

[TWSTD]

try the search function. Its been well documented already.

[WanaGo]

I did.
But I dont know what the issue is im searching for - makes it a little tricky.

Caldina Gt-t manifold.....
Caldina manifold problems.....

I seem to spend an eternity searching for information on toyspeed. Its so big, to find information about the car you want to know about, without knowing the exact thing you are searching for, takes ages.
Seaching through a post with like 5 pages of people talking about everything other than what the thread starting with is also hard work.
Not bitching, just saying.

I really am trying to search for the information before I ask.

Thanks
WanaGo

[Mr.Phreak]

viewtopic.php?t=43205&highlight=caldina+exhaust

[fivebob]

and an extra bolthole in the exhaust manifold to correct a well know problem

No, that was corrected in the later ST215s.

Is this still an issue for a 98?

IIRC the problem was fixed in 2000, so it will still be an issue in your car.

[WanaGo]

Inane wrote:
and an extra bolthole in the exhaust manifold to correct a well know problem

No, that was corrected in the later ST215s.
WanaGo wrote:
Is this still an issue for a 98?

IIRC the problem was fixed in 2000, so it will still be an issue in your car.

Thanks.
So the problem is the exhaust manafold warps, causing the bolts to shear off, thus making the manafold leak...
Is this really common? does it happen for all of them, up to 2000? or is it a minority of them?
This extra bolt hole on the new manafolds, having not seen one of the manafolds, this extra bolt hole provides another anchoring point to secure the manifold better, so its held in place better, so it wont warp (plus being made of different stuff maybe?)? Does this mean where the manafold attaches on the block - there is a threaded hole there, but not used? I may be confused here...

http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=43205&highlight=caldina+exhaust

As mentioned, buying a new manafold is the best solution if this problem pops up? What sort of money is one of those?

Thanks heaps

WanaGo

[strx7]

i have a good manifold for sale if anyone want it, make an offer.

[WanaGo]

What do you guys make of this, found on toyspeed.com

http://www.toysport.com/webpages/NewsInfo/Info/FYI3SGTE.htm
The 4th Generation 3SGTE ?

To prevent another controversy and correct widespread misinformation- the Caldina ST 215 / 246 3SGTE should not and cannot be referred to as 3SGTE 4th Generation. There is a REAL 4th Generation 3SGE but they were not available with turbo. The 4th Generation head supports the VVTi valve set-up and has direct ignition.

There are actually 2 different 3SGTE 3RD Generation Engines- #1 as installed in the 1994 - up Celica ST205 and MR2 SW20 vehicles: the flange is similar to the 2nd Gen 3SGTE CT26 with the Twin Entry flange and Ceramic impellers; #2 as installed in the Caldina ST215 / 246 Caldina- the turbo center section housing is cast in one piece with the exhaust manifold, also with Ceramic impellers. Again there is no identifying models on the turbo.

Issues - 4th Generation, vs 3rdV2
Turbo - Ceremic or metal?

WanaGo