3SGTE with 4WD in a 4WD Toyota Runx

[CaldinaGt_t]

what would i need to do this mod?

[flygt4]

a big wallet

[strx7]

wouldn't be all that much different from dropping an ST215 3SGTE into a AE104 corolla which is pretty straight fowards.

[barryogen]

there is one in the UK... I have a video of it beating some very expensive cars in a drag or two. from memory they said it cost them ~30000 pounds, but it was also 600 and something HP

[soopachargen]

there is one in the UK... I have a video of it beating some very expensive cars in a drag or two. from memory they said it cost them ~30000 pounds, but it was also 600 and something HP

http://www.fensport.co.uk

[barryogen]

thats the one yeah... pretty cool really.
It's come up a few times on here from memory.

Personally I'd keep the stock running gear and ditch the engine for the 2zz(the 4wd one only came with the 1zz AFAIK), then drop the Blitz supercharger kit on it(~8k plus fitting)... it would be a scary little car that one.

[soopachargen]

haha i like the way you think... is the 4wd model manual??

[barryogen]

haha i like the way you think... is the 4wd model manual??

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/toyota/corolla_runx/ suggests no.

But you could look at the Allex, Will VS, and to the US at the Toyota Matrix, Corolla XRS, and the Pontiac Vibe. New ones appear to be coming into the country called Corolla RS 180 aswell, so maybe one of the models comes with 4wd in manual and hopefully with the rev happy engine too.

Incidentally, the 2zzge, although it has a fair bit more HP, it has only 5% higher torque than the 1zzfe, and it is at ~double the revs of the 1zz... so on a track with the right drivers, it should make 2/5s of f**k all difference. The 1zz has a nicer torque curve too from memory.

[Punter]

Incidentally, the 2zzge, although it has a fair bit more HP, it has only 5% higher torque than the 1zzfe, and it is at ~double the revs of the 1zz... so on a track with the right drivers, it should make 2/5s of f**k all difference. The 1zz has a nicer torque curve too from memory.

WTF???

The car with more HP will be faster, no ifs or buts about it.

And I'd also be willing to be that the 2zz's gear ratios will be much more suited to performance than a 1zz's.

If you were drag racing but not going above 3500rpm i'd back the 1zz though.

[thaphatty]

The car with more HP will be faster, no ifs or buts about it.

Soooo not necessarily. cannot be arsed explaining why though. someone post up that link... urgh lack of motivation

[Brick]

The car with more HP will be faster, no ifs or buts about it.

um in a word... no

[Punter]

The car with more HP will be faster, no ifs or buts about it.

um in a word... no

Went no not always, but in this case, Yes.

I know gear ratios and crap, but in this case.

Even so given two engines, one high torque low power, the other the oppiste. both in Identical cars, both with ideal gear ratios. The high power one will accelerate quicker.

This is true because power is the ability of the engine to do work, more power = able to do more work.

[barryogen]

not exactly the same... but it was the only two cars I could find with similar specs HP wise but miles apart torque wise.

so a Honda B18CR with some cam work doing ~200HP at 9000RPM and ~200NM torque and a WRX at about the same HP, but 330NM torque, taking traction issues out of the equation.

You think that the Honda would be quicker round a track?

Actually, they would be close(not too close though), but I'd give it to the Subaru by 5% of the track distance.

[fivebob]

Incidentally, the 2zzge, although it has a fair bit more HP, it has only 5% higher torque than the 1zzfe, and it is at ~double the revs of the 1zz... so on a track with the right drivers, it should make 2/5s of f**k all difference. The 1zz has a nicer torque curve too from memory.

Actually on the track it would make quite a bit of difference. Peak torque at higher rpms is what you want in a track car, and higher torque is a bonus. Even if they had the same torque, the 2ZZ should be faster around the track as you'd be shifting into a better torque curve and keeping it there longer.

[Punter]

not exactly the same... but it was the only two cars I could find with similar specs HP wise but miles apart torque wise.

so a Honda B18CR with some cam work doing ~200HP at 9000RPM and ~200NM torque and a WRX at about the same HP, but 330NM torque, taking traction issues out of the equation.

You think that the Honda would be quicker round a track?

Actually, they would be close(not too close though), but I'd give it to the Subaru by 5% of the track distance.

Your talking as though torque and power are not directly related.

They are related, although you can make up for low torque with high revs. Or still make good power at low revs with lots of torque.

End of the day Power determines how fast you can go.

[sergei]

If you have gearing right it does not matter what torque engine produces (in terms in what value) providing the car makes more power it will be faster. Other important thing is torque shape - but it is directly related to power any way (as power is a function of torque and rpms).

[thaphatty]

Your talking as though torque and power are not directly related.

Theres no difference! all horsepower is is an idication of where/ how much torque you've got avalible in your rev range for your gearing to work with

[SUBARUCONVERT]

yeah and if u have been to the track much u usually see type R's lapping quicker than base model early GC8 WRX's

[Punter]

Your talking as though torque and power are not directly related.

Theres no difference! all horsepower is is an idication of where/ how much torque you've got avalible in your rev range for your gearing to work with

Huh?

So you're agreeing with me?
Hard to tell the tone of this post.

[strx7]

there is a good comparison between an F1 engine and a 14 litre truck deisel motor, F1 engine all HP and no torque, Deisel truck motor massive torque but under half the HP of the F1 car. The vehicle with more HP will accelerate faster.