mega grunty honda motors

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:48 pm

Lith wrote:
barryogen wrote:Toyota 2zzge and whatever the early 2000 Hondas had in their Type R

That doesn't sound very fair - the 2ZZGE and the B18C-R are more of a comparison, despite the B18C-R being effectively a generation behind. The K20A is lightyears ahead of any of the other 2litre NAs in my opinion.

yeah, well Toyota has been boring in the 2 litre range, nothing particuly sporty there... barring a Camry Sportivo(yep, joking)... so I was stuck with using the only "sporty car"(term applied very loosely) they seem to be doing, the Celica(or RunX) with a 2zz.

I'm not really up to it with Hondas, but surely they didn't drop the ball engine wise too?

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:28 pm

barryogen wrote:yeah, well Toyota has been boring in the 2 litre range, nothing particuly sporty there... barring a Camry Sportivo(yep, joking)... so I was stuck with using the only "sporty car"(term applied very loosely) they seem to be doing, the Celica(or RunX) with a 2zz.

I'm not really up to it with Hondas, but surely they didn't drop the ball engine wise too?

The Beams 3SGE seemed like a decent unit?

The K20A in from the "new" Type-R Integras is a brilliant piece of kit. Its pretty much the "If I had the money, I'd put this..." unit for the NA tweaking Honda fiends wanting to do a transplant these days. If I remember rightly, about $8k and a handy owner can get a K20A + 6-speed gearbox in to a previously B-series Honda. The K20A "spins the right way", and responds insanely well to modifications. In the territory of 165-170fwkw seems to be about the norm for an intake, exhuast, extractors and tuned ECU combination with one of those.

Defective · Post by **Defective** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:38 pm

Lith wrote:
barryogen wrote:yeah, well Toyota has been boring in the 2 litre range, nothing particuly sporty there... barring a Camry Sportivo(yep, joking)... so I was stuck with using the only "sporty car"(term applied very loosely) they seem to be doing, the Celica(or RunX) with a 2zz.

I'm not really up to it with Hondas, but surely they didn't drop the ball engine wise too?

The Beams 3SGE seemed like a decent unit?

The K20A in from the "new" Type-R Integras is a brilliant piece of kit. Its pretty much the "If I had the money, I'd put this..." unit for the NA tweaking Honda fiends wanting to do a transplant these days. If I remember rightly, about $8k and a handy owner can get a K20A + 6-speed gearbox in to a previously B-series Honda. The K20A "spins the right way", and responds insanely well to modifications. In the territory of 165-170fwkw seems to be about the norm for an intake, exhuast, extractors and tuned ECU combination with one of those.

haha, how about a K20A powered ae111.... now that would be interesting...

Not sure who would get more pissed... honda people or toyota people...

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:54 pm

Lith wrote:The Beams 3SGE seemed like a decent unit?

I'm not a great fan of them... sure they're what, ~200HP, but not a lot of fun to drive, although that might have been the weight of the Altezza that they had to push around.

Read the K20 info, looks nice.

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:55 pm

I can't see how a 3SGE from a SSIII Celica implanted into an AE111 couldn't be rapid - especially with some freed up breathing and a bit of a tune.

MacrosSiR · Post by **MacrosSiR** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:02 pm

Lith wrote:
Mr Revhead wrote:ok, by see i want details! pictures! how they did it....
im not sayign i dont beleive it, but i genuinly want to see articles etc
240 from 1600cc is cool no matter what it is

This is the best I can find without spending silly time looking for it:

not a b16 but a b20 making 298hp
http://www.theoldone.com/articles/badtothebone/
http://www.theoldone.com/articles/Larry ... _Civic.htm

flygt4 · Post by **flygt4** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:58 pm

the beams 3sge's are pretty good. still a long way off the k20's tho :lol:

kinda like the difference between a b16 and a 4age.

altezza 3sges have been known to put down ~130-140wkw with a few smart mods. the single vvti beams that came in the caldina and a few celicas was only rated like 20hp less than the dual vtti altezza version, i would imagine they wouldnt be too far behind.
i remember someone dynod a single vvti engine in an mr2, so same sorta drivetrain losses , at ~125wkw with a pretty average tune.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:12 pm

id say the gap between a k20 and beasm would be a fai bit bigger than 4age - b16

whats a k20 in again?

deanis · Post by **deanis** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:51 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:whats a k20 in again?

aeriel atom, the 2nd fastest car round the top gear test track when they tested it. or the fastest allmotor drag cars in the world. or a 2005 dc5 integra.

flygt4 · Post by **flygt4** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:53 pm

haha ariel doesnt count, isnt it supercharged as an option for 300hp in those :lol:

it the 2L mill out of new ugly integras.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:54 pm

i meant stock!!

and an atom isnt a car! its a "car" :lol:

IH8TEC · Post by **IH8TEC** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:55 pm

why can't some of you just accept the fact that a 4age is not in the same league as the honda motors. is it really that hard to grasp

it's been proven how many times, on dyno around the world, on tracks around the world. what more do you want? another 50 pages of pointless arguement.

seriously

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:56 pm

actually last i checked we'd moved on from that

flygt4 · Post by **flygt4** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:02 pm

lol topic changed now :lol:

oem-r · Post by **oem-r** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:14 pm

i have two friends who have an EG shell with a built b18cr, and the other being a civic type r, with a built b18cr too.

both have aftermarket cams, one running buddyclub spec3 cams and the other spec 4, with aftermarket valves and retainers, and pistons, port n polished, and the usual IHE both tuned with hondata s300, the civic type r made 160kw atws on speedtechs dyno.

the eg with b18cr made 155 on speedfactors and speedtechs dyno. that puts both of them over 200 hp at the wheels.

though theyre not b16a's, I'd like to see a 4age equivilent make the same power as the honda, in nz atleast.

tis a stupid arguement, it will go on and on......, i prefer hondas :roll:

and like many people have said the results from the toyota vs honda drags speak for themselves

MacrosSiR · Post by **MacrosSiR** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:38 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:id like to see a 240hp n/a b16a please

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1860713
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ba_LUUzx4

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:39 pm

Formula Atlantics come up in many articles - it proves a point. B16As and 4AGEs can both make 240hp NA....

fivebob · Post by **fivebob** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:47 pm

MacrosSiR wrote:
Mr Revhead wrote:id like to see a 240hp n/a b16a please

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1860713

lol, but that's a 2.1l version, not really comparable with a 1.6l :roll:

MacrosSiR · Post by **MacrosSiR** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:48 pm

2.1L

still has a b16a stamp on the block

fivebob · Post by **fivebob** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:51 pm

MacrosSiR wrote:still has a b16a stamp on the block

I'm pretty sure that when Revhead posed the question he was wanting to see a 1.6l Honda making 240HP not a bored and stroked version.

For it's displacement it's not that impressive, back in the days of BTCC 3S-GEs were pushing 300hp with 70cc less.

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