my mods for ae111

[lee90]

what do you mean by boost? trubo?

[TRD_ZERO]

Go easy on him guys we were all like this at one stage.

What they are saying is it is going to cost a hell of alot of money to make a blacktop push out 200hp in N/a form and it wont be very drivable.

Boost, turbo.............they mean building a blacktop with lower compresion internals will be a cheaper option and will easily get 200hp.

So basically building and engine to make 200hp in N/a form will cost a fortune while building one for a turbo application will be cheaper.

[lee90]

so you mean the lower compresion internals could possible reach to 200hp

hay dude what is your phone nubmer maybe is best to ask someone know what is going on with 4age black top

[solitaire]

Go easy on him guys we were all like this at one stage.

Exactly! im sure Lee90 will look back on this in a year and laugh... Hell i remember making a post where i wanted 200hp out of my small port...

Education is the key not piss taking... we already scared him off once before let not do it again - the last thing we want is this gentleman (who obviously has a rather large supply of spare cash lying around) going to some dodgey performance shop and signing his life away before he realises what he can realistically expect out of it.

PS. If he gets 200hp at the wheels with his blacktop when im making 190 with my gen2 3sgte i will eat my cambelt.

[lee90]

hi u didn't scared me off I just new in engine just need abit of pros help here what should I do guys?
is there a eazy way out of 200Hp at the engine then

do you guys think it's an good idea to do it your self, I was thinking to do it but I would not know what the hell I am doing. this will spend even more money on it.

I try to spend as less as possilbe

anyway there are the guys going to put in my 4age blacktop

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 299894.htm

[malc]

Hi Lee
maybe this could be of some help to you, it's a guide as to what modifications need to be done to get different levels of power out of the 4age.

http://www.billzilla.org/4agmods.htm

[Alex B]

Havnt we been through all this befoe and came to the conclusion it would have been easier to just buy a BZ-/BZ-R but you didnt want to take your suspenion out???

[Lloyd]

is there a eazy way out of 200Hp at the engine then

Turbo it, or give it to someone with a big big cheque for tens of thousands of dollars.

[lee90]

Hi Lee
maybe this could be of some help to you, it's a guide as to what modifications need to be done to get different levels of power out of the 4age.

http://www.billzilla.org/4agmods.htm

hi thanks man I am reading it right now

[lee90]

Havnt we been through all this befoe and came to the conclusion it would have been easier to just buy a BZ-/BZ-R but you didnt want to take your suspenion out???

seriously I would not sell this car I have already spend too much money on it plan to driv e it for a long long time. that's why I want to do this kind of thing up grade it and if you guys says turbo it I will do it. but I rather hear it rev it high then pochh....... HAHAHA

[lee90]

Depends, 200hp from a normally aspirated blacktop is gonna cost a lot of $$$ and be pretty hopeless as a road car.

200hp with boost is easy, cheap(ish), driveable on the road.

This has been hashed over many many times. Use the search function.

well if is 180hp I would be happy by the think of it 4age is a better engine for high power

[Alex B]

But are they really 180hp?? Doesnt your avrage blacktop dyno around the 100kw atw mark?

[lee90]

But are they really 180hp?? Doesnt your avrage blacktop dyno around the 100kw atw mark?

I show one of the sites u guys showed me black top has 145hp. so should be 115Kw maybe

[lee90]

well I can get the black top pretty cheap. so i wonder what can I do if it spend more then $5000 I would let it go just leave it as stock engine

[Barks]

Just my two cents.....

Isn't the easiest way to get 200hp out of an N/A 4AGE to just go out with a 5-figure cheque and buy a formula atlantic engine? The last time I heard of one of those engines for sale it had a price tag of $10,000 AND it needed a rebuild......

From my understanding the Atlantic engine characteristics make it only any good for racing with in a light chassis car, no good for daily driving.

IMO If you want a 200hp engine just go out and get a 4AGZE and turbo it. Easy reliable power that can be used for day to day driving.

[lee90]

Just my two cents.....

Isn't the easiest way to get 200hp out of an N/A 4AGE to just go out with a 5-figure cheque and buy a formula atlantic engine? The last time I heard of one of those engines for sale it had a price tag of $10,000 AND it needed a rebuild......

From my understanding the Atlantic engine characteristics make it only any good for racing with in a light chassis car, no good for daily driving.

IMO If you want a 200hp engine just go out and get a 4AGZE and turbo it. Easy reliable power that can be used for day to day driving.

thanks for the tip dude.

[solitaire]

is there a eazy way out of 200Hp at the engine then

To be honest... no - Generally 100hp/litre at the wheels is bloody good for a NA (Naturally aspirated) engine. If you want more than that you are looking at a very tight power band (the rev range where you get power)

do you guys think it's an good idea to do it your self, I was thinking to do it but I would not know what the hell I am doing.

Unless your really interested in doing because you want to do it yourself (and have the time to learn) pay someone to do it...

so i take it you are hoping to build a show car is that right man?

[solitaire]

But are they really 180hp?? Doesnt your avrage blacktop dyno around the 100kw atw mark?

I show one of the sites u guys showed me black top has 145hp. so should be 115Kw maybe

A Small port is 140hp at the fly (according to toyota...) But i make about 85kw... dont believe the internet unless there is a dyno plot to prove it... in fact... dont believe anyone unless there is a dyno plot

[B1NZ]

But are they really 180hp?? Doesnt your avrage blacktop dyno around the 100kw atw mark?

I show one of the sites u guys showed me black top has 145hp. so should be 115Kw maybe

A Small port is 140hp at the fly (according to toyota...) But i make about 85kw... dont believe the internet unless there is a dyno plot to prove it... in fact... dont believe anyone unless there is a dyno plot

For your reference my old blacktop was making 96kw at the wheels with exhaust and filter, most are generally around 90kw stock

[Quirky]

Ive watching alot of those Best Motoring videos, and that Keichi Tsuchia (spelling(also known as "drift king")) hes got a Black Top in his Trueno, and that makes about 200hp at the wheels i think (or was it the other Trueno) anyways, he had said somewhere in the video it has taken him about 5 years to make his car, and 1 year alone on the engine, which if i remember said had cost $15,000 USD equivelent if he was to get someone else to do it.