C-One cooling panel - tiny review

[barryogen]

A few weeks ago I got one of these for my 01 RunX(Corolla) from Mac at http://41.co.nz.



I'll freely admit that I got it mostly for looks and didn't think that it would make a hell of a lot of difference.

However, when driving along around town it keeps the car a bar and a half lower on the temp gauge, and when fanging the car it keeps it at normal, a full three bars below where it used to sit when given a thrashing.

I intend on getting actual readings of what the temps are, but for the moment I'm certainly pleased with my relatively cheap purchase, and the better cooling that it has given.

Thank you Mac from 41 and Toyspeed for the discount.

[slighty_sykotic]

Err. how can it lower it below your thermostat?

And if its not going below your thermostat then your cooling system is dodgy on that car, maybe your the thermostat is a bit sick?

[barryogen]

dunno, but has... just telling it how I see it.

[Fortyone.co.nz]

dunno, but has... just telling it how I see it.

All good! Pics installed?

[barryogen]

dunno, but has... just telling it how I see it.

All good! Pics installed?

once I get the bumper fixed... managed to drive into a rock on a dirt road... so wont have the car back for 3 ish days(they're doing some other tidy-up work while it's there).

driving an NA auto FWD subaru impreza... yay... not

[Ae92typeX]

Err. how can it lower it below your thermostat?
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As you say, just reporting it as you see it, but I would keep a watch on SS's comment. The panel says it increases efficency, but it shouldnt drop normal operating temp if you have a functioning thermo imo

[matt dunn]

All good! Pics installed?

Yeah for those like me who have no idea what it is or where it goes?

[Adydas]

Isnt it basically just like having one of these puppies under your engine scooping cool air directly up and making it from from the bottom of the motor / bumper up and out the top vents by the windsheild.

[rolla_fxgt]

I thought it stopped the air coming up the top of the raidiator, i.e makes it more sealed & thus more efficent at cooling & pehaps this is why the engine is running cooler?

[Adydas]

My understanding based on its appearance is above..

[Ae92typeX]

even if something increases the efficency of the cooling system, the thermostat would open and close to ensure the engine is running at the determined temp.
If the engine runs colder simply because air is ducted more efficently I would query that the thermostat is opening closing as it should.
Theres no way (imo) it cools down the block alone enough just because of a more efficently ducted cooling. The radiator can certainally be more efficently cooled and run cooler, but this should not impact the temp the thermostat is set at.

wtf is that pic, a snow barrow?

[LEV_101]

i got one of those air diversion plate on my altezza and really nice and pretty now ... but truthly i say i cant really tell differences from reading the water temp gauge ?

[frost]

there is only one good use for these panels and thats to put your tools on while your working on the engine,

[Mr Revhead]

even if something increases the efficency of the cooling system, the thermostat would open and close to ensure the engine is running at the determined temp.
If the engine runs colder simply because air is ducted more efficently I would query that the thermostat is opening closing as it should.
Theres no way (imo) it cools down the block alone enough just because of a more efficently ducted cooling. The radiator can certainally be more efficently cooled and run cooler, but this should not impact the temp the thermostat is set at.

wtf is that pic, a snow barrow?

i agree with this man.

i dont agree with the comment about exiting air at the base of the windscreen, thats a high pressure area!

[LEV_101]

even if something increases the efficency of the cooling system, the thermostat would open and close to ensure the engine is running at the determined temp.
If the engine runs colder simply because air is ducted more efficently I would query that the thermostat is opening closing as it should.
Theres no way (imo) it cools down the block alone enough just because of a more efficently ducted cooling. The radiator can certainally be more efficently cooled and run cooler, but this should not impact the temp the thermostat is set at.

wtf is that pic, a snow barrow?

i agree with this man.

i dont agree with the comment about exiting air at the base of the windscreen, thats a high pressure area!

could you explain more Mr Revhead about the high pressure area.

[Mr Revhead]

well why would all manufactorers place the intake for the heater/aircon system in a low pressire area?

why would NASCAR/TRANSAM, amoungst others place engine air intakes in low pressure areas?

the area at the bottom of the windscreen is a high pressure area while the car is moving. if stationary or at low speed then of course theres no/less pressure there. that speed however isnt all that high, and would vary for different cars

[TRD Man]

The panel says it increases efficency, but it shouldnt drop normal operating temp if you have a functioning thermo imo

You seem to be inferring that the operating temperature of an engine will stay at the point the thermostat opens.

Most Toyota thermostats will begin opening at 80 degrees and will be fully open at about 85 ~ 90 degrees - if I recall correctly.
Yet most pressurised systems will probably maintain a temperature of something over 90 degrees.

A TRD or a TOM'S thermostat opens at 71 degrees which is about the optimum temperature for a competition engine to run at. But the engine won't stay at that temperature by virtue of the thermostat alone.

Directing air more efficiently through the cooling system will have a beneficial effect - just as directing cool air efficiently to an intake does.

[slighty_sykotic]

The panel says it increases efficency, but it shouldnt drop normal operating temp if you have a functioning thermo imo

You seem to be inferring that the operating temperature of an engine will stay at the point the thermostat opens.

Most Toyota thermostats will begin opening at 80 degrees and will be fully open at about 85 ~ 90 degrees - if I recall correctly.
Yet most pressurised systems will probably maintain a temperature of something over 90 degrees.

A TRD or a TOM'S thermostat opens at 71 degrees which is about the optimum temperature for a competition engine to run at. But the engine won't stay at that temperature by virtue of the thermostat alone.

Directing air more efficiently through the cooling system will have a beneficial effect - just as directing cool air efficiently to an intake does.

He seems to be infering correct information?

If a thermostat is working corectly, how the hell can any amount of cooling lower the temp below the thermostat point. And whatever you said about the trd/tom thermostats has nothing to do with this convo at all...

If it gets colder, thermostat closes, and the temp goes up. Unless something is wrong.

[Ae92typeX]

I didnt really include the radiator in my post, but that could have an affect on the temp also. One to small, blocked, missing fins etc would have less cooling ability and the normal running temp may well be higher.
Im not in disagreement with TRD mans post, but thinking about a normal road going car with no modifications to the system before the new panel I would not expect a significant change to be visually seen via a temp gauge.
Modern factory cars run in a fairly tight temp range. They warm to operating temp, a fan cuts in if they just go over it and thermostat closes when it drops below it. Clearly this has some degrees to play around with and is not specifically an exact 85.
When I had a shitter with no thermo it would get up to its normal operating temp, much over that the fan would cut in. If I went down a long hill coasting the temp would drop below normal operating temp.
In any cars Ive had in the last many years, it warms to temp. Fan cuts in in less than a bar on the gauge if sitting in traffic. Coasting down a hill it dosent drop lower.

The other aspect I dont know details of is how close are the bars on the car in questions gauges? three bars on my current car would put it at overheating from the normal opp temp. Clearly this is not the case here.

Anyway, not trying to say what I say is law, its not. Just my opinion from my understanding and experience.

[MikeMan]

The panel says it increases efficency, but it shouldnt drop normal operating temp if you have a functioning thermo imo

You seem to be inferring that the operating temperature of an engine will stay at the point the thermostat opens.

Most Toyota thermostats will begin opening at 80 degrees and will be fully open at about 85 ~ 90 degrees - if I recall correctly.
Yet most pressurised systems will probably maintain a temperature of something over 90 degrees.

A TRD or a TOM'S thermostat opens at 71 degrees which is about the optimum temperature for a competition engine to run at. But the engine won't stay at that temperature by virtue of the thermostat alone.

Directing air more efficiently through the cooling system will have a beneficial effect - just as directing cool air efficiently to an intake does.

He seems to be infering correct information?

If a thermostat is working corectly, how the hell can any amount of cooling lower the temp below the thermostat point. And whatever you said about the trd/tom thermostats has nothing to do with this convo at all...

If it gets colder, thermostat closes, and the temp goes up. Unless something is wrong.

But if by design the thermostat opens at say 25 deg BELOW the normal operating temp of the engine then more efficent cooling WILL lower the temp.

Just because the thermostat opens at a certain point, this does not mean that is where the engine runs at normally. Also when being pushed of course the temp will go up. More power being produced means greater levels of heat being produced as a by-product.