New Demerit + Fine System & Radar Dectectors Banned

[postfach]

trust me mabey it is the recommended speed in ideal conditions for a 1930s ford. but not for an car made in the last 20 years.

So, a 1988 Lada 2105 with kelly 70's and shot suspension can go around a corner marked 45 at 80? I dont think so.

Face it, most of the cars on the road, excluding some (but not all) brand new cars, are totally sub par, most people in NZ buy the cheapest tires they can, don't think about their suspension or other components, and are generally ignorant when it comes to the handling characteristics of the car they drive. A WOF means your car is safe. Tui ad anyone?

The signs posted at corners are the suggested speed to get the majority of cars, and drivers (there *are* people out there who wouldn't have a clue what speed to take a corner at if there was no sign) around the corner safely.

[BlakJak]

I'm pretty sure that it is meant to be the "safe speed to take the corner in ideal conditions" or something along those lines... at least thats what the cop dude told me when he ticketed me for going over(far) it

You can be ticketed for going faster than the recommended speed, but slower than the speed limit for that zone? Who decides what's too fast?

Before the urban legends hit hard and fast - heres the truth:

The roading engineers use a accellerometer to measure the best speed at which taking the corner in such a way that you're travelling exactly parrellel with the roadway, you cause almost zero horizontal accelleration.

Eg, zero centrifugal force or close to it, as you travel around the bend. (By definition this is probably the safest speed to travel at because there should be then essentially no suggestion that you won't manage the corner due to physics).

That's how its calculated. It is a recommendation, not a fixed speed limit, so you are not obligated to follow the number - however in the event of a mishap, if you are travelling well in excess of the reccomended number it could be said you were not 'driving to conditions' and you could wind up under a careless or dangerous driving charge depending on severity.

That's how its calculated - was told so buy a guy who's been responsible for a number of them himself - so whilst it is true that it's probably the safest speed for a heavily laden truck, etc, that's by virtue of the baseline test. A car can probably safely do faster than the limit, noting that the passengers are going to be subject to some centrifugal force (eg it wont be a comfortable corner for the passengers) and you're also then relying on taking a better line through the bend (the calcs are done exactly parellel to the corner, thus the line taken is not the best... you can improve on it based on the lane width etc etc), the quality of your tyres, the road conditions....

BJ.

[Mad Murphy]

God what a load of shit, 80 round a 45 corner isn't safe in any book. The road isn't a race track, how can you possibly take lines properly when there's oncoming traffic, especially blind corners. Its stupidity, what if there's a random pothole, ice or a slippery wet patch half way round the corner that you can't see yet?

[NZVengeance]

i completely beg to differ. i do it every day in my vw golf tdi. the road i live on is an 80kph road and i hold 80kph regardless of corners. if anyone disbelieves this the road is ponga road papakura auckland.

heading south:
get off @ papakura
Turn left and go throught the set of lights
at the 2nd set of light go stright
take your first right down liverpool street
at the roundabout take the 2nd exit along opaheke road
follow this road. once it hits the 80kph sign you at almost at ponga road.



note not all fo this road can be drven like that but until you start going up the main hill you can and there are 45kph corners there.

[NZVengeance]

God what a load of sh*t, 80 round a 45 corner isn't safe in any book. The road isn't a race track, how can you possibly take lines properly when there's oncoming traffic, especially blind corners. Its stupidity, what if there's a random pothole, ice or a slippery wet patch half way round the corner that you can't see yet?

a) just because you cant do it doesnt mean other can't dont call it a load of shit untill you can prove otherwise. mabey it wont be safe in your car.
b) no its not a race track doesnt mean you should employ the same driving style in terms of how corners are taken
c)oncomming traffic im talking about staying in your lane so that comment is stupid
d) if there is a random wet patch or a pothole then your going to hit it at 50kph or 80kph now your average person traveling at 50kph will be able to control their vehicle around it. the person with the experience and confidence to travel faster would i theory still be able to control their vehicle around there

[NZVengeance]

trust me mabey it is the recommended speed in ideal conditions for a 1930s ford. but not for an car made in the last 20 years.

So, a 1988 Lada 2105 with kelly 70's and shot suspension can go around a corner marked 45 at 80? I dont think so.

Face it, most of the cars on the road, excluding some (but not all) brand new cars, are totally sub par, most people in NZ buy the cheapest tires they can, don't think about their suspension or other components, and are generally ignorant when it comes to the handling characteristics of the car they drive. A WOF means your car is safe. Tui ad anyone?

The signs posted at corners are the suggested speed to get the majority of cars, and drivers (there *are* people out there who wouldn't have a clue what speed to take a corner at if there was no sign) around the corner safely.

well forgive me for making my comments in a comunity of people that should know how to drive their cars, who would not be stupid enough to drive with shot suspension, and who would drive with good tires.

if your car is incapable of doing it then dont. drive to the conditions. what im saying is that it can be done and you dotn have to have a race car to do it.

i can do it safely in my 2003 VWgolf TDI its standard except new harder springs and direzzas all round. im not a F1 driver but i know how to take a corner. there is no need to be shitty and abuseive about it if you disagree. everyone is entitled to thier opinion. if you dont like mine then dont take it on board.

[Mr Revhead]

did you see those ads with the falcon losing it mid corner?

i hope you did...... your the target of them

[Snoozin]

did you see those ads with the falcon losing it mid corner?

i hope you did...... your the target of them

He hit a landmine though, to be fair

[NZVengeance]

you know what forget it. clearly people are incapable of being able to accept what some1 else says. most likly due to limited brian capability on thier part. mabey that is also they reason why they have to do 45kph around a corner.


based on what blackjak said. its more than convievable to be able to do 80kph around SOME 45kph corners. i cant in all fiarness asy all because i havent driven arund all of them but the few i have some i can do 80 around others i can do like 65 around. now i can do that speed in my golf becuase it has rock hard uspention and handles extrmemly well due to modern day suspension. my st205 with old shocks would find that a bit harder. my mother and fathers audi can do 80 round many of those corners easily.


perhaps when you said bullshit it can be done you should have said. there is no way in hell i can do that in my car.

alos add about a falcon. falcons handle like shit so yea. also those adds are BS and hve been proven so they make those things happen and its not really based in reaity

[slighty_sykotic]

by law these are the rules (as i have been told) you may go upto 10kmph OVER the speed limit or 20 kpmh UNDER the speed limit.

no interms of a coner you may go as fast as you like around that corner with the upto 10 kpmh over the speed limit law. however if it any time your car is lowsing traction/ becomes unsafe at that speed or you are unable to handle it safely you can be ticketed. those 'reccomended' speeds are exactly that a recommendation not something that can be upheld by law.

Holy shit that is a load of crap.


The limit is the speed limit. if you willing and knowingly go above this then you deserve a ticket. There is a general allowance of 10kms, but that does not mean a cop can not ticket you for doing 109. You are NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE AT 109. Just because you are not punished for it does not make it legal.


--Sykotic

[NZVengeance]

this is taken from the LTSA website

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about- ... imits.html


Curve warning signs

The signs below warn you that you are coming up to a tight curve or bend in the road. The number recommends a safe and comfortable speed to drive at around the curve – in this example the recommended speed is 65 km/h. The arrows show which direction the curve goes.


so what if i dont mind about the car being a little uncomfortable around a corner. now i just spoke to a professional race driver at work with me and he said this is what dictates what you can and cant do around a corner.


Road Surface
Tires
Shocks
Tire pressures
body roll
wheel base
suspention setup
entry speed
center of gravity
driving line



now these are alot of variables and perhaps i should have been clearer to start with. i know my car very well and i know what i can do around a corner. now on roads i dont know if i cna clearly see the corner i can guestimate a pretty accurate speed for it. if i cant then i take it a bit easier mbey 65 round a 45.

my car is german engineering and i make sure all of the above things are in order. and you only have to look at the road surface to see what it is like.



now regurdless this thread is about radar detectors so......


Good raar detectors work just like a simple 1 way radio they pick up a signal and make a sound for you. other radar detectors are what are called "superheterodyne" radar detectors.

The term superheterodyne refers to a method of designing and building wireless communications or broadcast equipment, particularly radio receivers in which a locally generated frequency is combined with the carrier frequency to produce a supersonic signal that is demodulated and amplified. Sometimes a receiver employing this technology is called a "superheterodyne" or "superhet."

those radar detectors can be detected because they emit a carrier wave.

[BlakJak]

NZVengance, what you say is fine, except that by travelling at those speeds you have zero margin for error.

If you get a blowout, have a suspension failure or other catestrophic problem while doing 80 around those bends, you're pretty stuffed.

If you are travelling somewhere closer to the recommended limit, you have more ability to deal with the unexpected.

Heres a question: are you able to bring your vehicle to a complete stop within half the forward viewing distance around the bend at 80km/h?

That is the guideline for stopping distances, eh?

http://www.communitylaw.org.nz/licence/ ... bility&id=

OFFENSE:
Driving at such a speed as to be unable to stop in half clear distance ahead
DEMERITS:
20

OFFENSE:
Driving in a lane at such a speed as to be unable to stop in length of lane visible
DEMERITS:
20

[NZVengeance]

There is a general allowance of 10kms, but that does not mean a cop can not ticket you for doing 109. You are NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE AT 109. Just because you are not punished for it does not make it legal.
--Sykotic[/quote]

that allowance was put into place to allow for the inconsistance of speedos. please find proof to prove me otherwise and i will agree i was wrong.

[BlakJak]

There is a general allowance of 10kms, but that does not mean a cop can not ticket you for doing 109. You are NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE AT 109. Just because you are not punished for it does not make it legal.
--Sykotic

{Quoting Fixed}

that allowance was put into place to allow for the inconsistance of speedos. please find proof to prove me otherwise and i will agree i was wrong.

You've implied that driving between 100km/h and 109km/h is legal.

It is not legal, it is merely tolerated, obsensibly for speedo accuracy. You can still be ticketed for travelling at speeds in excess of the limit, even if they're less than 9km/h. It happens rarely, but it does happen.

However that's not the point that people are trying to make with you.

Travelling at speeds significantly in excess of the recommendation for a corner on the grounds that you and your car are god's gift to motoring, is not a safe practise. Plenty of valid reasons pointed out above.
Now suggest you stop being aggressively defensive and instead focus on the point.

[NZVengeance]

NZVengance, what you say is fine, except that by travelling at those speeds you have zero margin for error.

If you get a blowout, have a suspension failure or other catestrophic problem while doing 80 around those bends, you're pretty stuffed.

If you are travelling somewhere closer to the recommended limit, you have more ability to deal with the unexpected.

Heres a question: are you able to bring your vehicle to a complete stop within half the forward viewing distance around the bend at 80km/h?

That is the guideline for stopping distances, eh?

http://www.communitylaw.org.nz/licence/ ... bility&id=

OFFENSE:
Driving at such a speed as to be unable to stop in half clear distance ahead
DEMERITS:
20

OFFENSE:
Driving in a lane at such a speed as to be unable to stop in length of lane visible
DEMERITS:
20

firstly please stop the "HOLY SHIT THAT IS BULLSHIT" go back to school people and learn how to have a debte.

secondly yes blackjak i can. i drive to the conditions if it is a blind corner i most certanly would not take it at speed. if there is limited vision i will take it slower. if however i can see all the wy around the corner that is different. i also have very good brakes and i know in both the dry and the pissing rain how quickly and in what distance my car will stop if i jump n the brakes. how ever yes there are ther factors that can effect that so i always leave some margin for error.


now on those corners i feel comfortable doing 80 round i know them i drive them all the time. i know the camber of the road surface. in the 6 years i have been driving. i have had 1 accident and that involved a car on the motorway changing lanes in front of me and slamming on the brakes. i have never lsot control of a vehicle (except on a rally circuit). surley i must be doing something right.

[NZVengeance]

re: blackjak. well nice of you to tell me to stop being 'agressivly defensve' but never make a comment of the holy shit thats crap and the bullshit comments.


but what ever i see people cant have a open depate so thats fine. i did in fact make a comment in reguards to the radars but no one saw that my chosie or negligance.

[slighty_sykotic]

There is a general allowance of 10kms, but that does not mean a cop can not ticket you for doing 109. You are NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE AT 109. Just because you are not punished for it does not make it legal.
--Sykotic

that allowance was put into place to allow for the inconsistance of speedos. please find proof to prove me otherwise and i will agree i was wrong.[/quote]

No, you prove me wrong.

You talk about this "law" that says you can drive 10km over the limit.

This "law" does not exisit.


And yes, that general allowance is generally put in place for that, but it is YOUR responibilty to ensure your speedo is correct, just as it is yours to ensure the wheel nuts etc are on tight and that you can see out your dirty windscreen etc etc

[Mr Revhead]

isnt it interesting how your story has changed....

you start off saying you can do 80 around 45 corners easy

as things go on, you change your story....
now its only on roads you know, that you can see around etc etc

so in fact....


you dont drive around 45k corners at 80 do you

you do on one road you know very well with good visability

[BlakJak]

Theres a phrase that comes to mind: "10 feet high and bulletproof".
That's how your posts are coming across: Nothing is too much for you to handle.

Guess what? We're all human, and all fallible.
If you say you're leaving enough of a buffer for the unexpected and have absolute confidence that all will go right for you when things go wrong, then kudos to you - and will wait to see it happen.

The night I rolled my Corolla I was doing well in excess of the posted 'recommended speed' for a corner, and ordinarily wouldn'tve had a problem except for the lovely patch of oil or diesel on the road that caused the back to swing out.

But anyway, I suggest that your case is more the exception than the rule; I would rarely endorse any more than 15km or so above any posted recommendation and that is all down to conditions at the time.

[NZVengeance]

i will end my comments here with this.

i do not travel at 80 kilometers per hour round every bloody corner.
there are some corners of which i know the raod very well that i do.
as i am sure there is probably some corners that each of you have traveled around at that speed.
most 45 coreners i travel slower at for any number of reasons. but some i can do 80 around.
i do not think my car is gods gift. i dont own a bugatti veyron just a vw golf that i know how to drive.
Im not trying to piss people off but i will not be called a liar by some asshat that doesnt even know me.

i apologise if anything i have said doesnt mett the requirement of the forum rules. i wont post anymroe reguarding this issue. i jut hope in the furture people will no bag what i say because they 'think' i am wrong


EDIT: i apologise for how im comming accross but i dint apreciate the BULLSHIT comment from people. i realise that things can go wrong there are too many variables. im not bullet proof i just know my road. my comment was founded on my road.
note to self: next time i psot like that i will clearly state 'in this particular crcumstance'

and to mr revhead. i was merly not clear enough by saying it could be done it meant that exactly. if anyone thought i meant all corners then perhaps they should have asked for clarifications. and i admit i was wrong about the way i posed next tiem i will make sure i put ALL the information in the 1st psot.

EDIT2: perhaps some of my comments were BS but i was annoyed at how what i had said initally was attacked by people.