Roundabouts

[BlakJak]

Whilst looking for something else, I came across this:

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-u ... r-qas.html

Do I have to signal on entering if I am going straight ahead?
No, but , you should signal left as you pass the exit before the one you intend taking.

Now when the Rule change this url refers to (series of updates applied in 2004) took effect, I recall there was some discussion about the need to improve indicating in Roundabouts as a result of this law.

Specifically what I see people doing these days (if proceeding straight) is:

- Indicate Right upon entering the roundabout

- Indicate Left upon exiting the roundabout.


The former is the problem; the latter is correct per above.
What's driving me nuts lately is people who indicate right and travel straight through - thus causing the guy coming the other way (usually me) to button off or brake for the car thats 'supposedly' going to cross in front (and doesn't.)

It's a real shame that there isn't some decent PR on this sorta stuff, eh... coz there's some drivers out there who really need a clue...

endrant.

[slighty_sykotic]

Whilst looking for something else, I came across this:

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-u ... r-qas.html

Do I have to signal on entering if I am going straight ahead?
No, but , you should signal left as you pass the exit before the one you intend taking.

Now when the Rule change this url refers to (series of updates applied in 2004) took effect, I recall there was some discussion about the need to improve indicating in Roundabouts as a result of this law.

Specifically what I see people doing these days (if proceeding straight) is:

- Indicate Right upon entering the roundabout

- Indicate Left upon exiting the roundabout.


The former is the problem; the latter is correct per above.
What's driving me nuts lately is people who indicate right and travel straight through - thus causing the guy coming the other way (usually me) to button off or brake for the car thats 'supposedly' going to cross in front (and doesn't.)

It's a real shame that there isn't some decent PR on this sorta stuff, eh... coz there's some drivers out there who really need a clue...

endrant.

Same people that do this wrong, also drive into the wrong lane when they are turning into a double lane street.

If you are turning right, you stick to the right hand lane, and that lets the people turning left go into the left lane without having to give way.

But some many times i've been turning left into my lane and had someone cut across me into the left lane. And they start beeping and shit at me, because they believe they are in the right.

[Sideros]

But some many times i've been turning left into my lane and had someone cut across me into the left lane. And they start beeping and sh*t at me, because they believe they are in the right.

was that pun intended?

[slighty_sykotic]

But some many times i've been turning left into my lane and had someone cut across me into the left lane. And they start beeping and sh*t at me, because they believe they are in the right.

was that pun intended?

I paused for a second and reread my sentence when i wrote that... lol, i should have said "think they are correct"

[Bling]

doens't matter how much to publicise road rules, 50% of people have no clue, they have no clue as they got their license from a lucky box of cornies....

one I get all the time is turning out of a side street onto a main road. With someone on the main road wanting to turn from the left, into the side street... if theres no give way signs.... I have right of way...... or you would think so...... I always get out the horn to the floor and finger out the window then they cut me off..

so i guess i'm a "bad" driver at least thats what they think. However, I only do this when i'm prepared to get out of my car and have a domestic with them otherwise i let it slide

[darkwolf]

People will never understand roundabouts - even painting big $&#$% off arrows doesn't help people turning right in the left lane that specifically says STRAIGHT A $&#$% HEAD or LEFT YOU STUPID IDIOT!!!

(It's true that's what they say if you were to talk to them... try it.)

[BlakJak]

doens't matter how much to publicise road rules, 50% of people have no clue, they have no clue as they got their license from a lucky box of cornies....

one I get all the time is turning out of a side street onto a main road. With someone on the main road wanting to turn from the left, into the side street... if theres no give way signs.... I have right of way...... or you would think so...... I always get out the horn to the floor and finger out the window then they cut me off..

so i guess i'm a "bad" driver at least thats what they think. However, I only do this when i'm prepared to get out of my car and have a domestic with them otherwise i let it slide

Hafta be careful with this one.
At most T intersections there will be a Give Way at one point of the T (usually the entryway to the throughfare, right) but the one that I have come up with lately is where i'm waiting to turn Right at the T and someone else is waiting to turn right into the street i'm in, thus, theyre on my left...

If their road is a straight-through and i'm on the controlled part of the intersection then they get right of way. I have to give way to them.
Yet it seems I wind up with drivers who want to wave me through. Nevermind the fact theyre sitting in the middle of a goddamn main road...

Same applies with the Driveway at the local Mitre 10, actually. Theres a flush median which people can wait in, fine, but people need to grasp that i'm on a _driveway_ not a _road_... so they're always gonna have right of way...

but yes... those damn Weetbix boxes have plenty to answer for!

[slighty_sykotic]

Same applies with the Driveway at the local Mitre 10, actually. Theres a flush median which people can wait in, fine, but people need to grasp that i'm on a _driveway_ not a _road_... so they're always gonna have right of way...

but yes... those damn Weetbix boxes have plenty to answer for!

A parking lot entrance etc is counted as a road. It states exactly this in the roadcode.

You are meant to go first you are on the right.


And BZG|Bling, Im with you. Having a shitty old car that you don't mind it its crashed into makes for fun driving when you know you are in the right

[Trls250s]

And BZG|Bling, Im with you. Having a shitty old car that you don't mind it its crashed into makes for fun driving when you know you are in the right

I just brought me a $400 bluebird while i modify my 86. It is such a relief having a car where i dont give a shit if someone hits me.

Everywhere i went in the trueno, someone would cut me off and id be like "oh god this could be expensive" and just ease way off.

NOW its like "ahh f*ck ya" and just get right in there and give them a scare haha. Damn aucklanders. Worst out east where i am, i swear no one has a clue.


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[BlakJak]

In this situation, i'd agree:



However I can't find anything to back up the assertion that the intersection of a car park to a road is defined as a road intersection.
Instinct tells me its a driveway which would be covered here:

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadco ... rning.html

Turning from a driveway

If you are driving out of a driveway:

* slow down to a complete stop at the end of the driveway
* check the road and footpath for hazards, pedestrians and other vehicles
* give way to:
o pedestrians on the footpath
o vehicles along the road.

I realise that the interior of a car park can be considered a road but not so happy about the concept of the intersection between the car park and a road... (would be happy enough to be proven wrong here; it'd just illustrate the point that the law is an arse and it's hard to get it right all the time... i'm someone who tends to follow the law fairly tightly!)

[HZRDIZ]

Another one which cause accidents (and one i witnessed a couple of weeks ago) is people that are turning left into a side street and give way to people turning right into that street.

If there is traffic behind you, you have right of way. If there is no traffic, you have to give way to traffic turning right into that street.

Now i witnessed an accident of someone i know and he was driving like an idiot in his new car (turbo'd ae101). Anyway he weaved into the slow/far left lane, and a split 2nd later he smacked into a stationary vehicle waiting to turn left because of giving way to a car waiting to turn right into the street.

Now in theory she should have just gone cause there was plenty of traffic on the road. Now it was clear he was in the wrong but she also is cause she wasn't following the road rules.

I think if people loose their license due to lack of knowledge of the road rules, they should have to resit the drivers test to get their license back...

[BlakJak]

At the risk of responding to myself, yes, the road code defines the following as an Intersection:


What is an intersection?

An intersection is where:

* two or more streets or roads join or cross
* a public entrance or exit joins a street or road

Entrances and exits to and from supermarkets, petrol stations, and other public parking areas such as airports and hospitals are therefore all regarded as intersections.

A decent explanation is here:

http://www.communitylaw.org.nz/licence/ ... %20Way&id=

I dare say that whilst theres some logic in the law (it is consistent for controlled, uncontrolled, etc) that the difference between a 'driveway' and an 'intersection' comes down to whether the parking lot you're in is defined as a 'public entrance'... which sucks. How big before it's a public entrance? from outside, can you necessarily tell the difference?

I might have to start recording sites where I see this one and where relevant, suggest they look at painting give-way markings to at least clarify the rules for drivers...

My bad...

[BlakJak]

Another one which cause accidents (and one i witnessed a couple of weeks ago) is people that are turning left into a side street and give way to people turning right into that street.

If there is traffic behind you, you have right of way. If there is no traffic, you have to give way to traffic turning right into that street.

Now i witnessed an accident of someone i know and he was driving like an idiot in his new car (turbo'd ae101). Anyway he weaved into the slow/far left lane, and a split 2nd later he smacked into a stationary vehicle waiting to turn left because of giving way to a car waiting to turn right into the street.

Now in theory she should have just gone cause there was plenty of traffic on the road. Now it was clear he was in the wrong but she also is cause she wasn't following the road rules.

I think if people loose their license due to lack of knowledge of the road rules, they should have to resit the drivers test to get their license back...

She was following the road rules - she's meant to give way to her right. Shes also meant to be able to stop without someone behind her smacking into her rear - means the person behind wasnt leaving sufficient stopping distance!

A smart driver will check their mirrors etc and will know whether theyre going to have to stop for the guy on their right or not, but that doesn't make what she did illegal - just inconvenient for those behind.

(And this is one of the reasons why our right turning rule tends to piss off most of the rest of the world..)

[slighty_sykotic]

If there is traffic behind you, you have right of way. If there is no traffic, you have to give way to traffic turning right into that street.

Can you explain this?

I didnt know there was a law that chagned depedning on if you had traffic waiting behide you?!?

Mspaint?

[Bling]

i'd say that would come down to the width of the road.

if said road is wide enough for cars to pass you on you're right, then the person you've giving way to has to give way to the straight ahead traffic behind you.

however, if they can't get past you, then they person you are giving way to should have full rights to make the turn.... as they have no one to give way to.

[gurutasker]

The problem is that we change our road rules...but don't re-train or re-test our road users.

[Mr Revhead]

when did we last change any rules though?

[rollaholic]

as they got their license from a lucky box of cornies....

man i feel like some cornies now.

[escortman]

Another one which cause accidents (and one i witnessed a couple of weeks ago) is people that are turning left into a side street and give way to people turning right into that street.

If there is traffic behind you, you have right of way. If there is no traffic, you have to give way to traffic turning right into that street.

Now i witnessed an accident of someone i know and he was driving like an idiot in his new car (turbo'd ae101). Anyway he weaved into the slow/far left lane, and a split 2nd later he smacked into a stationary vehicle waiting to turn left because of giving way to a car waiting to turn right into the street.

Now in theory she should have just gone cause there was plenty of traffic on the road. Now it was clear he was in the wrong but she also is cause she wasn't following the road rules.

I think if people loose their license due to lack of knowledge of the road rules, they should have to resit the drivers test to get their license back...

its not part of the road code but it is just common sense and being aware of what is around u

[rolla_fxgt]

when did we last change any rules though?

2004 & again i think in 2006, nothing major just a few things about when you did need to indicate in roundabouts & when a roundabout isn't a roundabout you actually have to indicate for (when its really small), the new zebra crossing laws & a couple of other ones i think