pfft quit ya whinging you oldies, were all going to put letters where we want,
from what i can see on this forum, when somebody says 4a-ge turbo it usually means they've slapped a turbo on a bluetop,
whereas 4a-gte means they've got the semi-notreally-whocares-forged pistons
and revhead, we live in a fast paced world, theres no time to stop and say 'four aye gee eee', personally im trying to go one better and get 'frage' to catch on, dont you love the sound of 'frage turbs'