bioethanol fuel Gull force 10

[grantourismo]

has any member tried gull force 10 ?
I put 13 ltrs in my car this morning ; it is mixture of 90 % 98 fuel with 10 % bio ethanol, the pamphlet of full force 10 claims it is cleaner and burns more completely, contains anti corrosive additives so it is better for cars.

I am still bit worry about this new product, so any members has try it before ?

[Emperor]

how much per ltre?

[grantourismo]

the same .....
with ethanol from Mt Maunganui

[Py7h0n]

its 95 fuel with 10% ethanol which gives you 98 rating total.

[Leon]

Some of the race series have gone over to bio mix this year. Apparently one of the key factors to keep an eye on is that the fuel consumption will increase quite noticeably. This is pretty important on race cars, as you generally only put just enough in the tank to get to your next refuel point. If you misjudge, you get to push your car back

[2jayzgte]

I personally have'nt used it and will not do so I'm not 100 % sure how it works on older type cars so I'm sticking with 98 and Avgas for as long as I can.

[IH8TEC]

apparently it has the right properties in it that you can easy put more ethonol in it with no problems

[Sideros]

I read a report from Toyota I think a few months back (NO idea how valid the report is, mearly posting this as a guide, so go get some good advice from Google or something before taking it as fact!) that their cars won't support anything higher than E5 (5% Ethanol) unless they are 2003 or newer I think it said. The report stated that cars prior to 2003 have fuel systems which might not be able to handle the corrosive properties of Ethanol and would form holes in fuel lines etc... In the united states I believe they use E3 and E5 (3%, 5%) which is fine on all cars however E10 isn't? Be wary is all I have too say and find out the facts from a reliable source before risking it. Saving $5 on a tank of gas isn't worth replacing the whole fuel system if all the rubber lines etc become perished is it?!

[grantourismo]

The report stated that cars prior to 2003 have fuel systems which might not be able to handle the corrosive properties of Ethanol and would form holes in fuel lines etc... In the united states I believe they use E3 and E5 (3%, 5%) which is fine on all cars however E10 isn't? Be wary is all I have too say and find out the facts from a reliable source before risking it. Saving $5 on a tank of gas isn't worth replacing the whole fuel system if all the rubber lines etc become perished is it?!

gull claims to have anti corrosive additives , now this is getting confusing .....

[Jdawg]

I have found cars that I have run on it have noticeably better throttle response. Economy seemed about hte same as 95.

[steve murch]

ive run this the 10% ethonal in karts and cars and when tuned to suit works bloody good,also done afew race cars on e85 which worked better than c16 and cheaper.
the toyota series run e85 but i dont believe its on pump yet, i run the e10 as such in my crap primera and no probs.
it doesnt make any power to start with unless its down hill with a 100mph wind behind it or over a cliff.

[Adamal]

E85 would be nice. Works out to have almost no carbon emmisions when you take in to account the carbon consumed by crops when being grown. Produces some good power figures too. The Koenigsiggeee CCXR (Model tuned to run on E85) was on a dyno and actually produced a figure greater than they stated (Source Top Gear Magazine).

Oh and has 50% less carbon emmisions than its fully petrol counterpart.
Because of that, the sensible Sweeds offer bonuses to cars that run E85. No tax on E85 fuel, cheaper levvies, cheaper to insure, free parking in big cities etc.
Almost makes the $1.7 mil to buy one totally worth it!

See, they've got it right. Not like our stupid governments idiotic (by that I mean greedy) thinking of "Hey, what we'll do is increase the tax on ALL fuel EXCEPT biofuel because theres only 1 gas station that offers it, and older cars won't be able to run it! What a great environmentally friendly insentive!"

Whats next? Can't defend yourself in your own home when invaded? People who drive cars are more saught after by the Police than those who steal them?
Wait, I got a good one, how about after you're done paying tax for fuel, you also have to pay an additional tax on the cost of the fuel, AND on the tax itself! Could call it "Goods and Services Tax" or something!

[B1NZ]

Subaru Nz put out a warning not to use it in STI's etc of a certain era, I'm not sure how many other cars it affects?

[grantourismo]

Brazil is the only country in the world running heaps of Ethanol fuel , so far there is not much negatives new heard
it is not even much an engineering state as well

[grantourismo]

ive run this the 10% ethonal in karts and cars and when tuned to suit works bloody good,also done afew race cars on e85 which worked better than c16 and cheaper.
the toyota series run e85 but i dont believe its on pump yet, i run the e10 as such in my crap primera and no probs.
it doesnt make any power to start with unless its down hill with a 100mph wind behind it or over a cliff.

would you tell me what is c 16 ?

[Adamal]

Basically, its like pump gas, but a much higher octane level. About 117.
Means that your engine can make more power with less chance of detonation. Advancing the timing or more boost as an example. Of course, that is if you've modified it to take advantage of the higher detonation level.
If your engine is completely stock, and made to run say 95, then C16 would be a waste.

Ethanol has a cooling property, which is another way of reducing the risk of detonation. This means it can be combined with a lower octane fuel, and wield a higher octane rating.
For example, Gull's Force 10 (90% petrol, 10% ethanol) is 95 octane fuel mixed with ethanol and rated at 98 octane.

[steve murch]

Basically, its like pump gas, but a much higher octane level. About 117.
Means that your engine can make more power with less chance of detonation. Advancing the timing or more boost as an example. Of course, that is if you've modified it to take advantage of the higher detonation level.
If your engine is completely stock, and made to run say 95, then C16 would be a waste.

Ethanol has a cooling property, which is another way of reducing the risk of detonation. This means it can be combined with a lower octane fuel, and wield a higher octane rating.
For example, Gull's Force 10 (90% petrol, 10% ethanol) is 95 octane fuel mixed with ethanol and rated at 98 octane.

you more or less covered the c16 but the e10 isnt quit right,the ethanol is slower burning for a start and cant just be added to petrol.
being from vegatable base it needs a blending agent to make it work.
at 10% not alot of things need to be changed but e85 is a major one.
you need differeant pump,injectors and lines to stop corrsion.
the volume is close to alky where you need up to 2.5 times more of it to keep mixtures correct.
the main gain for ethonal and alky is they carry oxegen which is where the power comes from,alky carries about 50% in pure form and force10 is 18%.
to get the full benift from both they need to be tuned to suit but at 10% it isnt to important.
when the IRL indy cars changed to ethonal they had to down size their fuel tanks as they got better economy over alky to keep their pit stops the same,they run 95% ethonal and 5% alky.

[Voodoo]

the same .....
with ethanol from Mt Maunganui

E10 over here in qld is usually cheaper than 91, mind u, we grow alot of sugercane

edit, although its not the 98 octance of gull 10

[grantourismo]

the same .....
with ethanol from Mt Maunganui

E10 over here in qld is usually cheaper than 91, mind u, we grow alot of sugercane

edit, although its not the 98 octance of gull 10

91 blend with ethanol ?

[Jdawg]

how much per ltre?

Fuelled up today for 1.93/litre