R35 Time at Nurburgring.

[rolla_fxgt]

I think Porsche have had one of those oh shit moments where they realise they've $&#$% up and have spent too much money on trying to gain control of vw/audi group, and not enough on their overpriced cars.
Now I'm not saying Porsche's are crap, I'm just saying that perhaps they've rested on their laurels a little to much lately, and as I've read on another forum, and in a few magazines, they ruined the Cayman by not giving the power its capable of, just to keep the 911 as the halo car.

I think its a case of extreme sour grapes by Porsche, why complain about it, when they could be out making their cars better?

[barryogen]

they ruined the Cayman by not giving the power its capable of, just to keep the 911 as the halo car.

(my) very selective quoting aside... I think that is correct.

[AE86less]

they ruined the Cayman by not giving the power its capable of, just to keep the 911 as the halo car.

(my) very selective quoting aside... I think that is correct.

Wouldn't you though? What sort of sports brand has an SUV that can match their flagship for performance?

If I bought a big SUV it wouldn't be for straight-line speed or trackwork

[xsspeed]

Cayman not Cayenne

[AE86less]

My bad, I read that wrong



R35 rules anyway.

[Mr Revhead]

None of them are a computer game on wheels,

so are you saying the GTRs computers arnt the key to its track speed?

i wonder what would be quicker with traction control, yaw control etc etc diasbled.

but anyway, the GTR could be a minute faster than anything else anywhere and i'd still not be interested. it just doesn't light my fire in anyway at all.
but thats just my opinion.

[Lith]

None of them are a computer game on wheels,

so are you saying the GTRs computers arnt the key to its track speed?

i wonder what would be quicker with traction control, yaw control etc etc diasbled.

Why does having more technology matter? I never said it wasn't partly behind its edge - thats how ALL modern cars are going quicker than cars of old were one way or another, much like Formula 1 cars which have a similar bunch of things going on but I don't hear you moaning about that. With any of them if you $&#$% up you still run the chance of spinning/crashing/dying, or at least going slower.

The car has still done the times, whether or not you like it is not relevant to whether its a good car or not - I'd most certainly have fun with one

[2jayzgte]

The reason why i'm not a fan of AWD is it makes a average driver into a hero and I hate that as I have to work so hard out there with RWD to stay with these automated AWD machines.

Personally though I like the new R35 even though there are better looking cars out there.Renault I mean Nissan have done a good job with it and it has exceptional performance for the $$$$ unquestioned there.

As for the tyre thing well semis vs road tyres I can only compare my experience's at Manfeild but I reckon its 2-3 seconds a lap.

[pc]

"Semis vs Road tyre" doesn't really mean much. There are semis with very little groove and very soft rubber, there are semis with much more groove and harder rubber... just like there are with road tyres... In fact, a road tyre is one that passes WOFs... so what is a semi and what is a road tyre?
Re Porsche vs GTR, only a control tyre will sort it out.

[d1 mule]

go the nissan IMO

but porsches are def ok lol..........wait for the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZG42it73s

[Timmo]

only a control tyre will sort it out.

Nope because then either party could argue 'Well the control tyre isn't compatible with our car' or 'A control tyre isn't representative of a car off the showroom floor'

A car is a collection of separate but linked parts. Changing one part affects how all the other parts work. Nissan spent YEARS making sure all these parts interacted correctly so that that the end result is greater than the sum of the parts.
Porsche, in their 'numbers' comment are insinuating that a car is simply the sum of its parts which seems ironic since this was something that Japanese manufacturers have been accused of in the past (a car that simply 'ticks the boxes') I would think they, of all people, would know that a car isn't just about numbers.

[barryogen]

Nissan spent YEARS making sure all these parts interacted correctly so that that the end result is greater than the sum of the parts.

I seem to recall reading about Nissan testing near 3000 different sets of tyres before getting to the final options that they give the public to choose from.

[Audi]

I've heard in quite a few different places that the GTRs lap wasn't run under the same conditions most road cars do the ring in. Personally I won't belive a Nissan is faster round the ring till I see the same driver take round the GTR then a 911 GT2 straight after. One company has been driving its cars round the most famous track in the world for ever, the other just started. One company is the byword for sports car, the other is just well, Datsun really.

[Jdawg]

Two companies had been driving its cars round the most famous track in Australia for ever, then 1 year Nissan showed up.

[Lith]

One company is the byword for sports car, the other is just well, Datsun really.

For some reason I had a mental picture in my head of that comment being said by someone with a tear in their eye and their toys on the ground just before storming off to their bedroom. You know people are getting desperate when the "just a Datsun" line comes out

http://www.targawest.com.au/
^ Worth a read

[cogent]

One of my techs just got back from a special Nissan training GTR deal. Here are some interesting Facts.
-Can only launch the car 15 times before the transmission gives out. The most Nissan has got was 34 launches.
-The fluid lists at 80 dollars a quart. It costs dealerships 49.99 a quart. The car takes 10 quarts.
-The warranty depends on the driving, there is a black box in it just like an airplane.
-Customers have to sign a waiver stating they will not complain about brake or transmission noise.
-The brakes MUST be replaced at the same time, cost for replacing 6500.
-If something goes wrong other than an oil change at the dealership, a special team needs to be called and your outta a car for a while.

Good job, Nissan

[Lith]

One of my techs just got back from a special Nissan training GTR deal. Here are some interesting Facts.
-Can only launch the car 15 times before the transmission gives out. The most Nissan has got was 34 launches.
-The fluid lists at 80 dollars a quart. It costs dealerships 49.99 a quart. The car takes 10 quarts.
-The warranty depends on the driving, there is a black box in it just like an airplane.
-Customers have to sign a waiver stating they will not complain about brake or transmission noise.
-The brakes MUST be replaced at the same time, cost for replacing 6500.
-If something goes wrong other than an oil change at the dealership, a special team needs to be called and your outta a car for a while.

Good job, Nissan

You know the blackbox/warrenty thing has been on cars for a while now, its not unique to Nissans. A lot of the others are quite imaginative, I wonder if they came from Porsche as well.

Not sure how they explain all the grey imports (currently every privately owned GTR out of Japan) that people will not have signed any waivers to own, and as such every GTR tested in Oz/NZ/UK by journalists. They aren't factory specials, and a couple at least I know of will have had a fair few more than 15 launches - hell one of them was at the Oz Jamboree recently and would have had that many launches (doing consistant mid/low 11s) just that weekend.

To be objective though - there is a guy I know of who had a transmission fail - estimated ~70 launch control assisted launches so it is a bit of a concern, and the transmissions get quite warm so again (like most first editions) its not perfect - but then a lot of high end 4WD cars struggle with hard launches on factory parts, the 4WD isn't there for drag racing. Lamborghini owners won't even try launching their cars once haha.

[Timmo]

http://www.targawest.com.au/
^ Worth a read

I think (from another article about that I read recently), they were actually running standard tyres for that Targa win too?....Ill try and find it.

Oh yep- here it is http://www.themotorreport.com.au/7536/2008-quit-targa-west-steven-jones-pilots-nissan-gt-r-to-outright-victory/

So a pretty standard GTR on standard tyres with a young driver beat a Porsche GT2 on racing tyres driven by Jim Richards (actually i've also seen that it was a GT3 in other articles...not sure)

[2jayzgte]

I think thats what has always given the GTR its edge is its amount of grip it can generate and with this its ability to use all its HP.

Lambo's don't they have a ECU controlled launch control just dial up 4 K and away you go I saw that on Top Gear.

The GTRs will surely have a optimal launch control RPM and I don't reckon 6-7000 rpm is it.

[Lith]

So a pretty standard GTR on standard tyres with a young driver beat a Porsche GT2 on racing tyres driven by Jim Richards (actually i've also seen that it was a GT3 in other articles...not sure)

Yep, thats the one And had a quick look at Jim Richard's website, its a GT2...