R35 Time at Nurburgring.

[2jayzgte]

Well if Nissan say they have photo and video evidence and the tyres they used for the lap well to me unless proven otherwise it sounds pretty legitimate to me.

[Mr Revhead]

well, unless you were they you have no idea if its true or not!

anyway its all pretty funny

how many ppl are going to chose one or the other solely on lap time?
very very few i reckon

[Lith]

how many ppl are going to chose one or the other solely on lap time?
very very few i reckon

They said themselves that was never part of the intention, but it clearly shows it can exchange blows with Euro cars worth twice as much or more while being clearly Japanese and its own thing as opposed to say Toyota's effort with the I wanna be a ferrari Mid-Rear thing they did.

[RomanV]

as opposed to say Toyota's effort with the I wanna be a ferrari Mid-Rear thing they did.

But yeah, the whole idea of the MR2 from day one was to be a 'poor mans sports car', a car that could convey a sporty and fun feel, while being affordable to joe bloggs.

I think it's awesome that one of the Japanese manufacturers has stepped up to the plate like this, and delivered something worthy from the factory, rather than "Yeah it's got 280ps and it'll go faaaaast if you do XYZ" which pretty much encompasses 99% of Jap cars up to that point.

[Lith]

But yeah, the whole idea of the MR2 from day one was to be a 'poor mans sports car', a car that could convey a sporty and fun feel, while being affordable to joe bloggs.

I think it's awesome that one of the Japanese manufacturers has stepped up to the plate like this, and delivered something worthy from the factory, rather than "Yeah it's got 280ps and it'll go faaaaast if you do XYZ" which pretty much encompasses 99% of Jap cars up to that point.

Yeah I know, I liken the MR2 and the new GTRs efforts to each other - basically trying to appeal to people who want a certain class of car but can't justify spending that much.

The GTR will give people who may be able to spend $130000 on a car the ability to get something thats no matter how you look at it, DIFFERENT, and also able to run with the "big boys" in all the bragging rights at the bar aspects.

[Timmo]

Anyone see the Top Gear power lap time that the R35 got? Freaking impressive! Especially when considering that, on a nice smooth track, the relative importance of a light weight increase and the relative importance of a sophisticated AWD system diminishes.

Here is the list http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/powerlaps.shtml

Car used Time (mins)
Gumpert Apollo 1.17.1
Ascari A10 1.17.3
Koenigsegg CCX (with Top Gear spoiler) 1.17.6
Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
Maserati MC12 1.18.9
Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
Ariel Atom 1.19.5
Lamborghini LP560 1.19.5
Ferrari Scuderia 1.19.7
Nissan GT-R 1.19.7
Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8
Porsche Carerra GT 1.19.8
Koenigsegg CCX 1.20.4
Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
Mercedes McLaren SLR 1.20.9
Ferrari 599GTB 1.21.2
Ford GT 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
Corvette Z06 1.22.4
Noble M15 1.22.5
Murcielago 1.23.7
Zonda 1.23.8
Koenigsegg 1.23.9
Aston Martin DBS 1.23.93
Prodrive P2 1.24.3
Audi R8 1.24.4
TVR Sagaris 1.24.6
Mitsubishi Evo FQ400 1.24.8
TVR Tuscan 1.24.8
Noble M400 1.25.0
Lotus Exige S 1.25.1
Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1.25.7
Lamborghini Gallardo 1.25.8
BMW Z4 M 1.26.0
Porsche Cayman 1.26.2
Porsche 911 Carrera 2S 1.26.2
Brabus Biturbo Roadster 1.26.2
Lotus Exige 1.26.4
Chevrolet Corvette 1.26.8
Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1.26.9
Aston Martin Vanquish S 1.27.1
Aston Martin DB9 1.27.1
Porsche 911 GT3 1.27.2
TVR 350C 1.27.5
BMW M3 CSL 1.28.0
Roush Mustang 1.28.0
Marcos TSO GT2 1.28.2
Subaru WRX Sti 1.28.2
Mitsubishi Evo X 1.28.22
Dodge Viper SRT-10 1.28.5
MG SV 1.28.6
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9
Mitsubishi Evo VIII 1.28.9
BMW Alpina Z8 1.29.0
Mercedes CL65 1.29.0
VW Golf W12 1.29.6
Alfa 3.7 GTA Autodelta 1.30.0
Ford Shelby GT500 1.30.0
Subaru Impreza STI 1.30.1
Vauxhall Monaro VXR 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT 1.30.4
Golf R32 1.30.4
Audi S4 1.30.9
Porsche 911 Turbo 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX220 turbo 1.31.3
Vauxhall VXR8 1.31.3
New Audi TT 1.31.4
Honda NSX Type R 1.31.6
BMW M3 1.31.8
Nissan 350Z 1.31.8
Mazda RX-8 1.31.8
BMW 535d 1.31.8
BMW 130 1.31.9
Ford Focus RS 1.32.2
Mazda 6 MPS 1.32.2
Lotus Esprit V8 1.32.5
Audi TT V6 1.32.7
MG ZT 1.33.0
Noble M12 GTO 1.33.1
Mercedes SL 55 AMG 1.33.2
Volkswagen Golf R32 1.33.2
Cadillac CTS 1.33.3
Honda Civic Type-R 1.33.5
Holden Monaro 1.33.9
Ford Mondeo ST220 1.34.5
Jaguar XKR 1.34.7
Ford Focus ST 1.34.9
Volvo S60R 1.35.0
Ferrari 575M 1.35.2
Vauxhall Vectra VXR 1.35.3
Fiat 500 Abarth 1.35.5
Alfa 147 GTA 1.35.6
Lotus Elise 1.35.6
Aston Martin Vanquish 1.36.2
Renault Clio V6 1.36.2
Honda Civic Type R 1.36.5
Alfa Romeo Brera 1.36.9
Saab 95 Aero 1.37.9
Maserati 3200 GT 1.38.0
Alfa Romeo 8C 1.38.2
Bowler Wildcat 1.39.4
Bentley Arnarge 1.40.8
Overfinch Range Rover 1.44.0
Aston Martin DB5 1.46.0[/u]

Freaking impressive

[Adamal]

Argh! Horrible triple post!

But I look forward to them having the V-Spec GT-R on the track when its released. Sheds 100KG and gains like an extra 40kw. Should produce an interesting time.

[Timmo]

haha yeah sorry about that- It was giving me an error when I tried to post so I tried again a couple of times before actually checking the board.

Cleaned up now.

Be interesting to see how the new Corvette goes around the TG track- It was faster around the Nurburgring I think.

[nzae86]

The recent Targa results told a different story for the Nissan off the race track
http://targa.tvd.co.nz/targa/public/Results.aspx

[Timmo]

hmm that site didnt really mean much.....is there a plain english write up?

A GTR in the Tassie Targa took it out on street tyres......but results like this are too dependent on driver skill etc. The Top Gear results should be more consistent (although, to be fair, weather conditions are not taken into account with those)

[Adamal]

Problem with the GT-R on road courses is that it doesn't recognise them as a race track, and limits top speed to 180kph

[nzae86]

Problem with the GT-R on road courses is that it doesn't recognise them as a race track, and limits top speed to 180kph

In this case that is a myth .

[touge rolla]

don't you love how a plain front wheel drive Mazda is faster than a Ferrari/Lotus/Aston Martin/Maserati etc etc

[thornz]

don't you love how a plain front wheel drive Mazda is faster than a Ferrari/Lotus/Aston Martin/Maserati etc etc

isn't the Mazda 6 MPS the turbo 4wd model? That is if you are referring to the top gear track times?

[touge rolla]

my bad didn't look carefully and thought Mazda 3 MPS.
Same statement applies to Ford Focus and Honda Civic though

[Lith]

What am I missing here, a stock R35 GTR came 5th at Targa - thats good isn't it?

[Dell'Orto]

No, it means it was the 4th loser HA!

[Audi]

Haha the Datsun thing was just a nudge at what Clarkson always calls them. Seems to be a couple of Nissan fans here. I'm just pointing out that it defies all we can assume about the things that makes cars quick, if a heavier, similarly powered car can beat a car that is heralded by every car journo I've ever read or heard as the unbeaten handling benchmark, round a track in its back yard. Just saying put them next to each other, then see which is actually faster. Is it impressive the GTR is as fast as it undoubtably is, hell yes. Is it the fastest round that track? Well no, now its the Viper ACR aparently. Still rather have the Porsche, I know which one the ladies will prefer.

[Adamal]

Additional pulling power is actually a listed option in the Porsche brochure.

[Timmo]

It comes standard on the R-35 and Lexus IS-F though