Lowering AE111 4age BT 1996 Carib BZ Touring - advice plz

[Dopamean]

Hi All,

Think this is like my second post here but I have got a bounty of information through this site just not specifically for my ride this time

I want to put some 17" mags with a descent tyres, my workmate was telling me that if I'm going to lower my car it would increase the wear on everything else and that I need to ensure that the car would not bottom out.

I'm not going for crazy low 35-40 off the factory would be fine.
Trying to maintain some ride quality (Kiwi roads are fuct).
Is there a way to reduce this wear?

Can anyone offer some advice about the best way to go about this?
I am currently looking at $1800 - $1900 for 17's descent tyres - not just rubbish, springs fitted.

I feel like a real noob I know enough about cars to keep them serviced and how things work but nothing advanced.

Will I be paying too much (I'm talking brand new parts) and can you offer an alternative, I'm based in central Auckland.

Help welcome, thanks!

[soopachargen]

Pop into magwarehouse northshore on barrys point road and tell nick that your from toyspeed and he should be able to do you a pretty decent deal. Odds are he will see your post anyway and reply to it

[Dopamean]

Yeah, Mag and turbo were not able to really match Hyper's deal for the same stuff.

Anyone else lowered thier Carib? By how much and what was the outcome?

Thanks again

[1I1]

The car would need a wheel alignment once its lowered but the main 'wear' thing i can think of is that it'l get a bit of negative camber on the rear wheels causing the inside to wear quicker than the outside if its pretty low. You can get camber adjusting bolts that'll replace the top bolt going through the strut and hub carrier (but i got told not to trust these )

[Mr Revhead]

TEIN
got them in my ae111 (not carib, but nz new corolla wagon)
very happy with them
not too low and a good ride. dropped it iirc 30mm at front and 25 rear
but yours maybe slightly different drop due to my car having done 200+ kays!

[Dopamean]

TEIN
got them in my ae111 (not carib, but nz new corolla wagon)
very happy with them
not too low and a good ride. dropped it iirc 30mm at front and 25 rear
but yours maybe slightly different drop due to my car having done 200+ kays!

Are you talking coil-overs? Or just springs? Or?

And yeah, I'm trying to stick to the above costs or less.
So no coilovers etc..... just lowered springs on with the standard shocks- there in pretty good nic.

I shouldn't have any issues with this?

[2LTR Rona]

TEIN
got them in my ae111 (not carib, but nz new corolla wagon)
very happy with them
not too low and a good ride. dropped it iirc 30mm at front and 25 rear
but yours maybe slightly different drop due to my car having done 200+ kays!

Are you talking coil-overs? Or just springs? Or?

Rev is talking TEIN Springs, NOT coil overs

[Mr Revhead]

yeah just springs
will work good with stock shocks (they are designed too)
p/n skt24-s1b00 is what you want

talk to al at driven performance (TS sponsor) or mag and turbo as they often do free springs with wheel/tyre combos
just dont let them talk you into king springs

[THA SHZ]

What tyres did they quote you on and what springs ? also what rims are you after ?
I can help if you let me know what im up against , normally hypers combos are done with very low quality tyres and springs

[Dopamean]

Great some good responses

The quote I have was $2100 17" GT37 Toyo Tyres unsure what springs.
Me and my workmate went and had a look at the car not too sure if 40/205 will rub on the guards though?

But after thinking some more I thought na there quite common (DTM's).
And will probably settle on either Avanti Vex or Trace, they should be cheaper by a bit.

Gezz I gota say big thumbs up for the help and support out of this forum

[Bling]

17/40/205 would be one of the most common tyres for 17" rims, I'd say you will be fine running them in ya carib.

[xsspeed]

Don't know if it will come in under budget as its hard to be a package deal for overall price but you should also check out the wheels that mac from 41.co.nz can get in via the sponsors section.
Some damn fine, and good quality wheels there, esp. the Work ones!

Here is their wheel thread: http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=69133&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Rob_GTZ]

I'm using RSR Japan Springs, & tyres are 205/40/17

[THA SHZ]

The 205/40R17 tyre size will be fine as its the same overall rolling diameter but you must make sure the offset on the wheels is the right one otherwise it will rub do you know what springs they were quoting you on ? generally they normally do dobis in their package deals as they are cheaper
to get a good ride i would suggest the tein springs and then look at doing you sway bay bushes and possibly lower arm bushes in nolathane , will give a very good right with really tight control

[Dopamean]

Another noob question, what is the correct offset for my 96 Carib?
I was looking at these:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =193500575

They would suit my ride well and then spending $150 per tyre.

I'm very quickly seeing this turning into more money than I want to spend, or I should say afford.

The purpose of a sway bar and new bushes is to gain more control or to basically handle the introduced wear on the rest of the steering / suspension?


I also have a couple of off topic questions maybe someone can advise...
The Blacktop induction is best left untouched and maybe just a K&N replacement from the factory air filter?

I have a K&N pod but I believe its breathing too much hot air as the car does not feel as good as it did with the standard air box, from what I've read this seems true.

Also I have read that changing the factory exhaust does not yield much if any gain - does this ring true also?
Currently I just had a resonator put in place of the catalac convertor.

[1I1]

I also have a couple of off topic questions maybe someone can advise...
The Blacktop induction is best left untouched and maybe just a K&N replacement from the factory air filter?

I have a K&N pod but I believe its breathing too much hot air as the car does not feel as good as it did with the standard air box, from what I've read this seems true.

Also I have read that changing the factory exhaust does not yield much if any gain - does this ring true also?
Currently I just had a resonator put in place of the catalac convertor.

I swaped a K&N pod filter setup back to the factory airbox/airfilter and thought it went better this way. Have sincce put a K&N panel filter in and didn't think it made too much of a difference over stock

[xsspeed]

Catalytic converters can supposedly choke an engine after time due to them getting blocked up, so you may now have a better flowing exhaust than when you 1st got it.

As for changing the exhaust, I would hazard a guess and say that if you got a free flowing exhaust made (2 1/4" at a guess) with tuned length headers you would probably get a few ponies extra. However I would avoid buying cheap options, and the decent ones seem to be pretty pricey.

Plenty of things out there for these engines, depends what money you want to throw at it?

As for pod filter def. recommend staying stock.

[Rob_GTZ]

Another noob question, what is the correct offset for my 96 Carib?

Depends on your height a bit, but with a 7" wide wheel you want around +42 to +45.
+40 or lower will catch the fold on the rear guard if you have the car real low, however this can easily be folded up or trimmed off

[Dopamean]

offset I've seen through the forums is 35+, sound correct?

[Crampy]

you could keep the pod filter you have and make up a proper cold air box, like this: