Price for ST205 GT4?

[touge rolla]

thats getting into STI, EVO, S13/14 turbo price range......

Not really STI's and EVO's seem to go for $15k+ and prefacelift S14's $9k+.
Not to mention they all suck.

i actually looked on TM before i posted that man, maybe you should do the same.....


and yeah 300zx owner calling any other car [person of homosexual orientation].....pfft

Firstly that was mostly a stir..
Secondly Silvia's are cool really I want to one day build an S13. S14's lost their appeal to me when every skank in Christchurch started driving one.
Thirdly I said they suck not that they're gay
and lastly I don't own a 300ZX and never have, but what's wrong with ZX's? (apart from their obesity, fuel consuption, and being PITA to work on.

[B1NZ]

and lastly I don't own a 300ZX and never have, but what's wrong with ZX's?.

I'm guessing that he was looking at the 300ZX link in your signature?

I would think an STI or Evo would be a better car depending on what you want, They both have a resonable sized boot, 4 doors and 5 seats and in stock form I would assume would go alot better than an ST205?

I do like ST205's, I would like to own one as a play car but as a normal everyday car I would miss the extra doors and storage space.

I've seen quite a few STI's of similar vintage going for under $10K recently, So they are comparable to an ST205 in price, Evo's tend to hold the value a little more though

[touge rolla]

I'm guessing that he was looking at the 300ZX link in your signature?

Girlfriends car, not bad for a girls car. (her first car too)

[snwtoy]

A lot of people don't know what ST205s really are. They are on par with EVOs in performance

Excuse me? That's something you would only EVER hear on a toyota forum. ST205's are on par, and even outshine Evo's in some areas. Performance is not one of them.

[Mr Revhead]

st205 > evo/sti



you can get WRXs cheeeeaaap these days
and the bits you can get for them! i was nearly tempted, then i remembered they suck

[sergei]

A lot of people don't know what ST205s really are. They are on par with EVOs in performance

Excuse me? That's something you would only EVER hear on a toyota forum. ST205's are on par, and even outshine Evo's in some areas. Performance is not one of them.

Stock for stock, same year?
They are very similar.
Alot of evos these days have all these mods that make them go slightly faster.
I have driven a lot of evo4/5/6, unmodified and I would say performance is very similar. I also "acelerated" against a few of cocks that did not like me passing them, I would say they struggled to keep up.

[rmf55]

i have an st205 and would never ever ever swap it for an sti or an evo, but there's no way its as fast as either.

1420kg and 255ps versus 1350-1380 (or less) and 260-280 just doesn't work out.

however car love isn't a rational thing done on the numbers, and I love not driving to work and seeing 4-5 others on the way. plus its a small piece of rallying infamy..

[RunningRich]

This discussion has been covered many times.

The ST205 is really a higher class of car than an EVO or WRX. Sure it is heavier, but that extra weight is due to higher quality parts. An EVO4 dash is a crappy plasticy horrible thing. The doors are tinny. The door trim is cheap fabric and hard plastic. You sit high on the seats and it doesn't feel like it was designed as a driver car, more as a vehicle to suit soccer moms.

The ST205 has a much classier interior that envelops the driver. The doors are solid. It doesn't squeak and rattle.

An extry level Lancer or Subaru is a POS grocery getter with a cheap junk interior. Putting a grunty engine in does not suddenly make it a superior car to a ST205. Sure it may be faster, but it does so without any class.

WRX's and EVO's shouldn't be compared to the ST205 any more than you should compare a Ford Laser turbo to a ST165 (as was done by Aussie magazines back in the day).

Don't even get me started on how both the EVO and WRX were "styled" by 14 year olds...

[edwagon]

This discussion has been covered many times.

The ST205 is really a higher class of car than an EVO or WRX. Sure it is heavier, but that extra weight is due to higher quality parts. ......
....Sure it may be faster, but it does so without any class.

Agree with RunningRich and Sergei - I have never owned a Celica but have similar experince having owned a manual jzz30 Soarer, jzx90, TT Aristo, and compared to Skyline, Laurel and Falcadore respectivly, are far superior cars. The trouble is, its only weirdos like us who are into them and appreciate the quality and performance, and we tend to be more discerning buyers, so aren't as easily seperated from our money!

When you start talking about cars in the sub $10k performance braket, unless you have huge aftermarket parts support and 'yobbo and dickhead' appeal, you're always going to struggle for resale against wrx, evo, and any drift poser nissan or holden v8.

[iOnic]

This discussion has been covered many times.

The ST205 is really a higher class of car than an EVO or WRX. Sure it is heavier, but that extra weight is due to higher quality parts.

Higher quality parts such as? Titaniuam wheel turbos, brembo brakes, front, rear and center LSD's, 17x8 enkei wheels, adjustable spoilers, front mounted intercooler, intercooler sprayers can all be found on the evo......as well as being a much faster car...mitsi put some thought into designing their flagship car - and they got the results to silence the critics too.

An EVO4 dash is a crappy plasticy horrible thing. The doors are tinny. The door trim is cheap fabric and hard plastic.

It's a road going version of a rally car.....it's not supposed to be a comfort barge so it has a plastic dash and the doors aren't full of sound deadening - if you wanted a quiet/comfortable family car why would you be shopping for an evo? horses for courses fellas. oh and the alcantara used on the seats and door trims is hardly a cheap fabric neither is that all leather momo airbag wheel....or the recaro bucket seats with matching rear seats. digital climate control, twin airbags etc........the interior of an evo 4/5/6 isn't such a bad place to be really

You sit high on the seats and it doesn't feel like it was designed as a driver car, more as a vehicle to suit soccer moms.

evo's characteristically have a pretty low seating position. mostly to do with *those* seats...

The ST205 has a much classier interior that envelops the driver. The doors are solid. It doesn't squeak and rattle.

The ST205 is also heavier and slower....that's the price paid for being "classy" I suppose

An extry level Lancer or Subaru is a POS grocery getter with a cheap junk interior.

as opposed to the st202's classy expensive interior?

Putting a grunty engine in does not suddenly make it a superior car to a ST205. Sure it may be faster, but it does so without any class.

If you want class buy a celsior......these are primarily (road going) rally cars and people buy them because they want to go fast not because they want to be "classy". if an evo is nothing more than mum's lancer with a bodykit and a grunty motor........how is the st205 any different? isn't it then just mum's shopping cart st202 with a bodykit and grunty motor?

WRX's and EVO's shouldn't be compared to the ST205 any more than you should compare a Ford Laser turbo to a ST165 (as was done by Aussie magazines back in the day).

You're right......$20,000 cars should not be compared to $7,000 cars - regardless of how classy their interiors may be.

Don't even get me started on how both the EVO and WRX were "styled" by 14 year olds...

i'll agree here. evo's are ugly. but then again celicas aren't going to win any beauty contests either. or rallies for that matter.

don't get me wrong i'm no evo fan. nor am i a celica fan. i don't ever aspire to own either of the two - but i've gotta give credit where it's due.

[Zitchu]

Agree completely with the above post. I considered getting a GT-4 at one stage but opted out and saved a bit more and went for the Evo for the mentioned items such as Brembos etc. Also they seem to hold their price far better than the GT-4s do.
(Not taking a shot at the ST-205 I really do love them)

[Mr Revhead]

Higher quality parts such as? Titaniuam wheel turbos, brembo brakes, front, rear and center LSD's, 17x8 enkei wheels, adjustable spoilers, front mounted intercooler, intercooler sprayers can all be found on the evo......as well as being a much faster car...mitsi put some thought into designing their flagship car - and they got the results to silence the critics too.

sounds like a shopping list from mag and turbo

seems the critics are pretty vocal to me

cars like the st205 and escort cosworths were sold as high end luxury performance cars
EVOs and WRXs were cheaper cars missing the luxury items
no, momo steering wheel and recaro seats done not make a car a luxury car.....
the 205 and cosworth were limited edition things
the EVO and WRX were not

different approaches on how to sell the required number of cars

[iOnic]

each to their own i'm yet to hear someone tell me why a celica is considered luxurious. the only st205 i've been in was pretty ordinary as far as interior was concerned......i've seen more luxury in an altezza or an mr2 for that matter.

for a limited edition high end luxury performance car, the celica seems to be a hell of a lot cheaper than the cosworth, wrx, evo etc.....hell an automatic corolla of the same year can be had for more money than st205's seem to be going for but hey I stand corrected and you guys clearly know a secret holy grail of the motoring world that everyone else has accidentally overlooked

[escortman]

i reckon st205s are bloody sexy looking things, never been in a gt4 but my mrs st202 is really nice to drive, nice semi bucket seats, nice height, defiantly a solid feeling car way nicer than my mates evo4

[Mr Revhead]

for a limited edition high end luxury performance car, the celica seems to be a hell of a lot cheaper than the cosworth, wrx, evo etc.....hell an automatic corolla of the same year can be had for more money than st205's seem to be going for but hey I stand corrected and you guys clearly know a secret holy grail of the motoring world that everyone else has accidentally overlooked

im talking price when new, cossie and celica were aimed at slightly different markets. iirc they were both about 96k when new.

[B1NZ]

each to their own i'm yet to hear someone tell me why a celica is considered luxurious. the only st205 i've been in was pretty ordinary as far as interior was concerned......i've seen more luxury in an altezza or an mr2 for that matter.

I agree with that too! Costing more new doesn't make them more luxurious IMO, I think an STI has a better interior than an ST205! Evo's I agree are a bit cheap and plasticy inside, but I think its the mitsubishi thinking in general.

[rollaholic]

yeah alot of mitsis dont feel that flash on the inside. all the more reason to throw the inside away imo

im a big toyota fan but anyone who is honest with themselves when comparing evos, stis and celicas as performance cars has to admit that they defintely go in that order

[Zitchu]

Hell if they were 96k brand new then that seems like they were very overpriced.

[touge rolla]

i have an st205 and would never ever ever swap it for an sti or an evo, but there's no way its as fast as either.

1420kg and 255ps versus 1350-1380 (or less) and 260-280 just doesn't work out.

however car love isn't a rational thing done on the numbers, and I love not driving to work and seeing 4-5 others on the way. plus its a small piece of rallying infamy..

ST205 weighs 1380kg, later model evo's are heavier. ST205's aren't obese like their predecessor.
Standard ST205 does a 13.something quarter mile, similar to an evo.
The ST205 is leagues better than what Mitsubishi and Subaru were making back in '94

By the late 90's GT-Fours did come with Recaro seats and Leather steering wheels (not Momo but a better looking Toyota item) too

[ST205 GT4 NZ New Group A]

Did I read some where that the WRC/Grp a are 200 kgs lighter, maybe just myth but would help with the weight to power ratio people seem to be basing there performance fig's on.