Boy Racer Attack on Police

[TRD Man]

Think about your post. How many learner drivers own or have a 450hp Supra at their disposal?

Engine size restrictions aren't silly but the major reason they won't be implemented is because of the outcry you'd get from business and farming communities.
Your 18 year old storeman can't drive your company's HiAce van to the Post Office anymore, the farmer's son can't use the HiLux or the Landcruiser even though he's been driving it since he was 10.
These things have to be, and in fact are, considered in this kind of legislation.

[trdtrueno]

the problem is not the cars people are driving, as you can still go around in any car doing "boyracer" activity, its the drivers. there needs to be harsher penalties for repeat offences and unpaid fines.

[MR2SIK]

some people are going to act like dicks weither theyre in a high powered car or a 2k powered starlet. Theyre still going to be a menace to society.

How about a zero tolerence for learner and restricted drivers, one strike and you're out with massive consequences for those who continue driving. Have to prove that you are a safe and compentent driver who can follow the law.

Too many people believe driving is a right, not a priveledge. Bout time that was remembered.

[cat007]

Latest thing in blenhiem:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4836973a11.html

HAHAHAHAHAHA

That IS awesome!

The exhaust loudness thing comes back to why do little 1300-2000 non-turbo car's have massive and loud exhausts on them? I have +360hp and only a 2.5" exhaust which is pretty quiet compared to some of the "twangy" n/a's I hear driving around!

LMAO I'm still cracking up. Pretty funny! Although he/she shouldn't just go round and fill up every big exhaust. If he/she were to do it properly, they're take note of anyone being a regular PITA and do it to them. Not just every Joe with a shiny tailpipe.....

Still - pretty funny IMO

[RedMist]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4837142a11.html

"The police crackdown on boy racers continued yesterday, with one of the boy racers who spoke out in their defence arrested for non-payment of fines."

DUH!

[scottyj]

good I'm glad they arrested that dickhead.

The other problem with limiting CC size to sub 2litre is the 1300cc RX7 batman. A lot of law makers probably wouldn't even know this car would be below the cc limit.

[Warren]

I think the minimum driver licence age should be moved up a year or 2 for start.
Second, they should put the drinking age back up 20! A 20 year old would be less likely to supply booze to a 16 year old than an 18 year old.
21 like the yanks would be even better.
Drinking is probably fueling half of this problem, if not more!

[2jayzgte]

I think you'll be pretty surprised what sought of cars these kids have at there disposal and of course if they did have these restriction's in place you are'nt going to keep everybody happy,thats just life.But for me from what I've been hearing in some of these posts won't work either.

Higher Fines this does'nt deter these kids when they can go to court get the thousands of $$$$$$s worth of fines and then turn around and repay them at $5 a week.

A CC rating on these license's has the only thing that has'nt been tried so I reckon whats to lose give it a go it surely can't be any worse than it is now.

I agree with putting the driving age up to 20 that to me is a absolute no-brainer.

[Adamal]

The other problem with limiting CC size to sub 2litre is the 1300cc RX7 batman. A lot of law makers probably wouldn't even know this car would be below the cc limit.

I'd say they'd find out. It's not like they would just create laws without first consulting people.
And they should class a 13b as a 2.6 litre, or do what they do in Japan and class rotaries as 1.5x the displacement.

[pjay]

Its not drinking thats fuelling this. Or simple answer would have a Booze blitz and snap them all drink driving.

I say just take the car. 28 days to start with. 52 next offence. Then the owner gets the choice of paying a fine equivalent to the cost of the car, or the car gets auctioned off. All proceeds go towards charity or some shit. "save the whales and starving kids"

[Adamal]

I don't think taking cars would work, because usually they're in shitters, not soemthing they've invested a lot of time and money into.

Just throw them into the cells for a night or two. Then see what happens.

[pjay]

So then they will buy another shitter.. And the cycle will continue.

Lets assume they have money. They buy another car. Same thing happens. They keep getting fines + losing cars. So the charity keeps winning and the loser keeps getting in more debt and trouble, hence $&#$% his own life up. Turns to selling drugs and then gets pinged and put in jail anyway.

Society wins

[darkwolf]

I think the minimum driver licence age should be moved up a year or 2 for start.
Second, they should put the drinking age back up 20! A 20 year old would be less likely to supply booze to a 16 year old than an 18 year old.
21 like the yanks would be even better.
Drinking is probably fueling half of this problem, if not more!

I personally believe that the driving age should be raised to 18. From 15 years old you should be able to participate in driving education though. So you learn how to control a car in the wet etc. This way when you reach 18 you go for what is effectively your full licence and have been taught how to drive correctly in the first place.

As for the drinking age. I believe it should be lowered. Down to say 16. I say this because when you turn 18 at the moment you can legally drive a car and you start being legally allowed to drink. This means you are still in the stage of trying every drink under the sun and the drinking and driving thing starts. If you had been drinking for several years you SHOULD have some control over your drinking habits, then when you get your licence you SHOULD be more intelligent in your choices around drinking and driving etc.

The problem we have at the moment is that people who do the illegal driving - I used to when I was younger - are there for the thrill of the dark side. Not for the racing etc. If you take the racing to a track these people will not turn up. They lose the "darkness" of it all that they crave so much.

We used to set up drags with cones at 0M, 400M, 1000M. You start at 0M (obviously) gun it to 400M, then cruise at 100KPH to 1000M turn around using the side streets and head back. Everybody stayed behind the cars racing (aside from the starter which was probably a bit dangerous). The road was watched from both ends to ensure that any people who weren't involved were well looked out for. We had "marshalls" (people who wanted to be part of it but weren't racing - free too) and the police generally left us too it. It was out on a country road kms from nowhere. I think the police generally left us to it as there weren't any complaints, nobody got hurt (though I imagine Holy Hell would've been to pay if they had) and we weren't in the streets of the city. You used to be able to drive up and down the main drag with minimal interference from "boy racers" as they were out elsewhere. We also never allowed idiots with stupidly modified cars (cutties etc) to race as most of the people there were as against that sort of crap as we are.

This also had the advantage of including those people who were there because they thought they weren't supposed to be. Something similar but with police approval and minimal police presence would be key to solving this problem.

I think there is an attitude of hostility immediately caused by the police. Not because of anything they've done but because they are merely a sign of authority. If night speed dragwars at Meremere wasn't policed as much as it is (i.e. police cars "hunting" the area) I think it would be a bigger success. I beleive the police just need to have a way of creating a presence without being present. I know how that sounds but I also figure most of you know exactly what I mean.

Restricting engine sizes / horsepower / torque I think would be a catastrophic problem. As once again you are going to get a bunch of people when they hit a certain age grabbing the biggest size engine they can. So you'll end up with a bigger cluster of idiots. I love turbos. I love the way they make me smile when I bury my foot in them, but I went and bought a V8 because I knew a turbo wasn't right for me. I'd kill myself and possibly some other poor bugger. Worse still killing some other poor bugger and walking away.

Bottom line is its a mentality thing. If we can change the mentality then the problem will be minimized. But creating / changing laws isn't the way to do this.

[Eddy1612]

my first car was an MR2 Turbo haha and I used that to go to the drags every saturday nite so im pretty much the problem in this world!

lock me up!
im the culprit.
Dont do it to these kids they dont know any better

[deaf_rattle]

engine size restrictions wont work.
i did more stupid things in my 1.8l car than i ever did in the 3l turbo supra.

[darkwolf]

I'll second that.

4.4L V8 (286 BHP) I'm placid as.
2.0L 3S-GE (CIRCA 140BHP) I did some stupid stuff but was mostly well behaved.
2.0L 3S-F (CIRCA 100 BHP) I did some safe stuff but was mostly stupid.

[AE86less]

I've done dumb stuff in all my cars. It's all about location

EDIT: Actually, I suppose that in hindsight I was more cautious in my faster/more conspicuous cars...

[79rolla]

there shuld be some sort of training or somthing.. because a while ago there was a big problem of inexperienced drivers wraping themselvs round trees in there first cars (evos ect)
altho its not the full soulution.. i caused alot of people on my road to complane about me for a period of time when i was burining round in my corolla everyday, i injoy pushing my car and finding its limits.. altho i was being a bit imiture and i can admit that... (btw it was my ke30 with a screwd motor and one coby at the back...)

thy do need to bring back driving causes in the wet ect again.. hey are not in the defensive driving courses anymore.. some people think it would incourage people to drive faster.. but most cases it slows people down because they become afraid of loosing it..

as for the idiots doing skids.. iv sead b4n a skid pad would help but not solve... and althe new laws they pass just makes people want to rebel more.. the cops relly need to get some respect back and the "boy racers" need to understand the limits of what is acceptibail and whats just stupid...

[Bling]

I agree with putting the driving age up to 20 that to me is a absolute no-brainer.

You mean no one used their brain with this suggestion? If so I agree.

How do you expect anyone under 20 to get to work etc if they have to ride the bus or push bike?

While we're at it, make the drinking age 26 as i'll be that old soon so it will suit ME fine

[fivebob]

I agree with putting the driving age up to 20 that to me is a absolute no-brainer.

You mean no one used their brain with this suggestion? If so I agree.

Precisely. Might work fine for those living in the city with access to public transport, but it's a brainless idea if you consider the rural community, same with putting restrictions on the cars that can be driven.

The drvers licence age has been 15 for a long time and, whilst the current generation of young drivers may appear to be more immature and egocentric than in the past, surely it's a matter of education along with proper enforcement not artificial restriction, which only creates resentment and doesn't really work anyway.