Formula 1 2009

[Mr Revhead]

ok, my prediction for race win!!!
whoever makes turn one first

and maybe massa for some points and maybe a sneaky podium?

[thornz]

I have put $5 on Vettel for the win paying $4.25 at TAB, and $5 on Webber for a podium at $5.0.

Gooooo Red Bull!!

[Mr Revhead]

well, we were both wrong!

not a good race for trulli, or toro rosso!!
massa was doing ok, till he ran low on gas!

i missed most of the last 30 laps as i fell asleep
woke for pitstops and last 4 laps!

certainly looks like button/brawn for the title this year! can red bull/vettel find a little something and mount a come back? theres definitely still time for it!

[2jayzgte]

Well it seems there's a few teams willing to bail from F1 if all he rule changes are made for 2010 with Red Bull Ferrari Williams and Toyota being some of the notables.Yep I wonder how F1 would look with out these teams could turn into a bit of a joke if you ask me.

[thornz]

Well Ferrari have annouced that they will withdraw from F1 if these new budget cap rules come in. So will be interesting times ahead, to see who will back down first, Max mosely or Ferrari?
Personally I hope this is the end of Max.

Place your bets now!
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 08,00.html

[JustinSpiderholden]

For how many hater's of Ferrari there are, Formula 1 with out Ferrari would be like permire league soccer with out Manchester United

Or International Rugby with out the All Blacks

Best thing is it not just Ferrari, Toyota, Red Bull (In guessing Torro Rosso as well) and Williams will go to

Will be an intresting series with out them

I think its time for Max to go maybe he been taking a few to many of the drugs his son overdosed on

Either that or it time for the manafuctures to tell the FIA to jump and start there own series

Can somebody tell me what the FIA actually do?

[fangsport]

so having the FIA help them out , isn't paying dividends this year for Ferrari, nor is having one of the biggest budgets.
personally think Ferrari need to dig a wee bit deeper and find the root of the problem. the rules were probably changed late last year , hoping that Ferrari would be the benefactors, but Toyota, Brawn and co, interpreted the rule change better and the results thus far show.

can understand Toyota , red Bul Williams etc not wanting a cap put on budgets , as they are all getting decent speed and results.

interesting thing is that McLaren ( a team i support) are very quiet with media releases since the suspended sentence was handed down.......... Lewis picked a good year to be top of his game, as speed and results are not a happening thing for the team this year.

JustinSpiderholden said:

For how many hater's of Ferrari there are, Formula 1 with out Ferrari would be like permire league soccer with out Manchester United

the same could be said of McLaren if they were to be kicked out, they are not exactly the new kid on the block either.

[JustinSpiderholden]

The way I see it

F1 is meant to be the pinnicle of motorsport

If you put a budget cap on it, it become like a1gp or any other cost regulated motorsport

If you can't afford to play don't bother go enter into a competion you can afford to be in

[thornz]

And Renault have now announced they are following Ferraris lead.
And now Bernie is calling for calm as he himelf has said F1 is Ferrari, and Ferrai is F1.

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 23,00.html

[2jayzgte]

This just cracks me up a cap on spending and there just doing this now oh please if they were really that worried they could have put a cap on spending 20 years ago.....

I agree its the pinnacle of the sport and it involves new technologies that filter down to road cars so basically its just a huge R&D exercise for the big car makers which is good.Personally if Ferrari or Mclaren or any of the top teams bailed I believe F1 would be a joke.The pinnacle of sport means exactly that you have to be the best to be in there by putting this cap on spending unfornunately means anyone with a spare $40 mill can enter hence the view a 2 tier competition.

So in closing if some of these big teams pull the pin me for one won't bother watching.

[rolla_fxgt]

I kinda think they need a budget cap, other wise its just a pissing contest really. But the 2 teir thing is a bit weird.

I say why not have a budget cap of say $100million, but total free reign with design, apart from length and width max's and having 4 wheels min

[thornz]

It would be pretty cool if they gave them free technical rein, some of the designs they come up would be great to see. Bring back the days when teams really tried different things, such as when they had the six wheel Tyrrel, would spice things up a bit!

[matt dunn]

It would be pretty cool if they gave them free technical rein, some of the designs they come up would be great to see. Bring back the days when teams really tried different things, such as when they had the six wheel Tyrrel, would spice things up a bit!

Yeah but would get back to the point where downforce is all that counts,
and you car that is running second wont ever be able to get close enough to pass due to the turbulance of the car in front.

You'd design your car so it can't be followed.

[fivebob]

And it would also get to the pont that the drivers were blacking out in the turns due to the G-Forces involved, much like in the days of Ground Effect Turbo cars.

There needs to be some restrictions on aerodynamics, but apart from that it should be free of constraint, including restrictions on driver aids.

[Mr Revhead]

i dont mind a budget cap
within reason.
and i also agree that there must be an emphasis on mechanical over aero grip.

having the cars split into two different rule structures is fine by me.
call the teams running under a low cap GP2 and the others F1.

[JustinSpiderholden]

Why is everyone so hateful of Ferrari?

If Toyota, RedBull, Ferrari, Reanult, Torro Rosso all leave

F1 will never be the same again

Wow Lola and Aston martin are intrested if it more regulated, if you want to race in highly regulated open wheelers go to IRL

Again if you havnt got the money to play in F1 properly don't bother

I don't want F1 to become more rgeulated and watered down just so a few more teams can enter

This weekend GP is building up to be intresting, can't wait for quailfying tonight

I really hope that Williams can finally take ther practise speed into quaifying and race

[Adamal]

Le Mans makers will switch to F1 and F1 makers will switch to Le Mans

[Mr Revhead]

coz ferarri deserve it

lola and aston.... hmm interesting
they are tied together at lemans, along with prodrive... interesting mix
all iv head about f1 and lola has been lola alone.

i dont think williams will do that well
did you see the article on them? patrick head saying they fast in practice as they run minimal fuel to give drivers the best practice with a car as it will be in q1 and 2 so they can get that far....

however this is monaco..... a track were the driver can make up for a slower car. and if they get track positon can hold back faster cars....

[JustinSpiderholden]

coz ferarri deserve it

lola and aston.... hmm interesting
they are tied together at lemans, along with prodrive... interesting mix
all iv head about f1 and lola has been lola alone.

i dont think williams will do that well
did you see the article on them? patrick head saying they fast in practice as they run minimal fuel to give drivers the best practice with a car as it will be in q1 and 2 so they can get that far....

however this is monaco..... a track were the driver can make up for a slower car. and if they get track positon can hold back faster cars....

Will be an intresting GP

I would love it if all this fighting finally see's the end of Max

Or the teams that are not in agreement finally start another series

Fan's will follow the top drivers, and who wants to watch a water down, cost/ budged capped version of f1, that what A1gp gives you go find a poverty packed country to reprsent

Prodrive can $&#$% off, so can lola and aston martin, if you can't afford to enter don't bother don't ruin the sport just so that you can afford to bring your broke ass to f1

Sorry if i seem a we bit worked up by this, but I don't want to see some exsting teams walk away over a few dollars jsut so that crazy old sypilous infested Mad Max can get his way

[Makaveli]

I think it's good to see F1 going back to it's roots. It has become very expensive and dominated by the manufacturers. Honda pulled out as it was costing them a lot of money with little return on their investment. Mind you they are probably regretting their decision now, based on the current Brawn GP performance. Ferrari is getting frustrated because they don't want to to race fairly, they have more money to spend, hence why they can afford to gain a monetary advantage over their competitors. Also Ferrari and FIA always been in a good alliance, this is a first major disagreement in a very long time. I think everyone prefers to watch a race with more overtaking and more variety of winners and less predictability. The only time we currently get that is with a wet race. Can someone remember Ferrari's dominance in 2002 and 2004. Most people stopped watching the races.

I think most spectators couldn't give a toss about beryllium coated valves etc. that cost a fortune. Look at how much Toyota F1 has spent and not a single win, yet Renault spends a lot less than other big players and has won two championships. I think Formula 1 is heading towards standard engines and chassis anyway. They might have 2 or 3 engine suppliers and chassis suppliers and more teams. Mercedes is currently supplying 3 teams already (McLaren, Brawn and Force India).

I mean what happens currently is one team develops something radical, they gain an advantage for one or two races and then everyone copies their design and it's back to square one for everyone. I think F1 can be still the pinnacle motorsport while being more cost effective.