dpr turbos

[Bazda]

like anything you get what you pay for
as for the masterpower,well i can put you onto the last 6 customers( in a month and a half) ive hard to replace all the internals with good parts and they would have a different opinion for those that have posted

Thats very odd, Masterpower provide a 1 years warranty. And if anything goes wrong you go back to them and they will fix it.

three of these guys have gone back to Oliver and he doesn't want to know about it nor supply any parts to fix.
i was asked afew years ago to help him out thru mark at tricky, i asked for all the info about his product and manufacturing specs materials etc and he wasn't forth coming.
i really don't care what anyone uses its there hard earned money to do as they please,some have luck with the cheap stuff and some don't,i cant afford to send jobs around the plant hoping it'll be OK!!!
thus oem or custom made to my standards,
im not the only one the doesn't think that highly of masterpower nor other brands but its up to who's buying and i guess the odds are some off them will work at some point but its not a market im interested in.
im not after more work as i can keep up as it is,i just advise those who want to know whats best for there hard earned money.
what happened with how good the KKR units were?

Thats very weird..

The KKK units are no longer, the company in China stopped making them as they said no one was buying them except me haha. Because the price was much higher than the other turbos they were making.

[steve murch]

like anything you get what you pay for
as for the masterpower,well i can put you onto the last 6 customers( in a month and a half) ive hard to replace all the internals with good parts and they would have a different opinion for those that have posted

Thats very odd, Masterpower provide a 1 years warranty. And if anything goes wrong you go back to them and they will fix it.

three of these guys have gone back to Oliver and he doesn't want to know about it nor supply any parts to fix.
i was asked afew years ago to help him out thru mark at tricky, i asked for all the info about his product and manufacturing specs materials etc and he wasn't forth coming.
i really don't care what anyone uses its there hard earned money to do as they please,some have luck with the cheap stuff and some don't,i cant afford to send jobs around the plant hoping it'll be OK!!!
thus oem or custom made to my standards,
im not the only one the doesn't think that highly of masterpower nor other brands but its up to who's buying and i guess the odds are some off them will work at some point but its not a market im interested in.
im not after more work as i can keep up as it is,i just advise those who want to know whats best for there hard earned money.
what happened with how good the KKR units were?

Thats very weird..

The KKK units are no longer, the company in China stopped making them as they said no one was buying them except me haha. Because the price was much higher than the other turbos they were making.

weird? don't know how you came to that conclusion as its based on them being out of pocket and not getting support nor refund for a bad design but I'm sure they'll be letting him know at some stage.

they must be good if you were the only one buying them,lolol
sorry couldn't resist and that was based on the price thing not you Barry,if you go search ebay you can buy whats being sold here for 120us!!!
you could get more for them in scrap metal!! lol

[Akane]

it should be a HT06-4C
(Hitachi)
they are abit of a pain cause hitachi dont do parts so would have to use a comp wheel from a 3k or similar,rebuild parts bearings etc arnt a problem to get.
is it worth it? dont see why not, is yours a 1.0 or a 1.3?

It's a 1.0, engine is K10A, thanks for the info Steve.

[steve murch]

it should be a HT06-4C
(Hitachi)
they are abit of a pain cause hitachi dont do parts so would have to use a comp wheel from a 3k or similar,rebuild parts bearings etc arnt a problem to get.
is it worth it? dont see why not, is yours a 1.0 or a 1.3?

It's a 1.0, engine is K10A, thanks for the info Steve.

no prob

[Akane]

Hi Steve, can you tell me what I can upgrade my Suzuki Wagon R wide Turbo's turbo with, while retaining the factory manfold and downpipe? Or am I wasting my time?

Thanks

don't forget to add training wheels so it won't fall over in corners!

It won't, it's named Wagon R *WIDE* for a reason!

[Bazda]

like anything you get what you pay for
as for the masterpower,well i can put you onto the last 6 customers( in a month and a half) ive hard to replace all the internals with good parts and they would have a different opinion for those that have posted

Thats very odd, Masterpower provide a 1 years warranty. And if anything goes wrong you go back to them and they will fix it.

three of these guys have gone back to Oliver and he doesn't want to know about it nor supply any parts to fix.
i was asked afew years ago to help him out thru mark at tricky, i asked for all the info about his product and manufacturing specs materials etc and he wasn't forth coming.
i really don't care what anyone uses its there hard earned money to do as they please,some have luck with the cheap stuff and some don't,i cant afford to send jobs around the plant hoping it'll be OK!!!
thus oem or custom made to my standards,
im not the only one the doesn't think that highly of masterpower nor other brands but its up to who's buying and i guess the odds are some off them will work at some point but its not a market im interested in.
im not after more work as i can keep up as it is,i just advise those who want to know whats best for there hard earned money.
what happened with how good the KKR units were?

Thats very weird..

The KKK units are no longer, the company in China stopped making them as they said no one was buying them except me haha. Because the price was much higher than the other turbos they were making.

weird? don't know how you came to that conclusion as its based on them being out of pocket and not getting support nor refund for a bad design but I'm sure they'll be letting him know at some stage.

they must be good if you were the only one buying them,lolol
sorry couldn't resist and that was based on the price thing not you Barry,if you go search ebay you can buy whats being sold here for 120us!!!
you could get more for them in scrap metal!! lol

I was the only one buying them cos they were the most expensive Chinese turbo out of all the ones I looked at over there. The quality was MUCH better than all the ones you find on ebay etc. No one was selling these turbos I had on ebay/trademe or anywhere in the world, they weren't available though anyone else.

People didn't buy them to sell because they thought; how could I sell a Chinese turbo when the cost price is so high compared to the others.

[fivebob]

Therein lies the problem. People want cheap and, until they're burned by how much the cheap product actually costs them, they won't change. Manufacturers don't care because there's always the next sucker looking for the "cheap" option.

In the meantime the supplier of the quality option has closed down or put their prices up even more to cover the overheads because sales are down.

People need to understand why a product is cheap, and in most cases it's not because labour is cheap, it's because there is little or no quality control. This applies all the way along the production line, from the supplier of the raw materials, to the components made from them and on to the finished item. Also in the rush to market there is very little R&D done so design flaws make it through to production when they should have been eliminated in the development phase, if there even was a developmnet phase

If you use the end consumer as quality control that means that you have a very low scrap rate, and given that a lot of consumers won't complain anyway your return rate won't even approach half the scrap rate you would have had if proper QC was in place.

A lot of these cheap knock off products would have a 80% scrap rate if they were produced by a reputable manufacturer, pretty soon the manufacturer would stop the production and fix the faults because it was costing them money. The shoddy manufacturer doesn't care because by the time the product faults show up they've either moved on the the next shoody product, or closed the business down and started another one making the same crap product.

[steve murch]

Therein lies the problem. People want cheap and, until they're burned by how much the cheap product actually costs them, they won't change. Manufacturers don't care because there's always the next sucker looking for the "cheap" option.

In the meantime the supplier of the quality option has closed down or put their prices up even more to cover the overheads because sales are down.

People need to understand why a product is cheap, and in most cases it's not because labour is cheap, it's because there is little or no quality control. This applies all the way along the production line, from the supplier of the raw materials, to the components made from them and on to the finished item. Also in the rush to market there is very little R&D done so design flaws make it through to production when they should have been eliminated in the development phase, if there even was a developmnet phase

If you use the end consumer as quality control that means that you have a very low scrap rate, and given that a lot of consumers won't complain anyway your return rate won't even approach half the scrap rate you would have had if proper QC was in place.

A lot of these cheap knock off products would have a 80% scrap rate if they were produced by a reputable manufacturer, pretty soon the manufacturer would stop the production and fix the faults because it was costing them money. The shoddy manufacturer doesn't care because by the time the product faults show up they've either moved on the the next shoody product, or closed the business down and started another one making the same crap product.

awesome and well put i totally agree with all of that,
i was asked a few months back to go to china to sort out the problems someone who imports cheap turbos to fix all there issues!!
i think not as I'm not going to play QC for poorly made products along with the fact china consumes good materials to make crap and then when we want to buy good materials for production the price goes threw the roof.

i think in general what ever is in the buyers pockets will depict what he buys regardless of advice from people in the know,
he rather buy many times cheap before he realises whats going on and then i get a phone call saying can you please help!!!!
pay peanuts you get monkeys

[steve murch]

like anything you get what you pay for
as for the masterpower,well i can put you onto the last 6 customers( in a month and a half) ive hard to replace all the internals with good parts and they would have a different opinion for those that have posted

Thats very odd, Masterpower provide a 1 years warranty. And if anything goes wrong you go back to them and they will fix it.

three of these guys have gone back to Oliver and he doesn't want to know about it nor supply any parts to fix.
i was asked afew years ago to help him out thru mark at tricky, i asked for all the info about his product and manufacturing specs materials etc and he wasn't forth coming.
i really don't care what anyone uses its there hard earned money to do as they please,some have luck with the cheap stuff and some don't,i cant afford to send jobs around the plant hoping it'll be OK!!!
thus oem or custom made to my standards,
im not the only one the doesn't think that highly of masterpower nor other brands but its up to who's buying and i guess the odds are some off them will work at some point but its not a market im interested in.
im not after more work as i can keep up as it is,i just advise those who want to know whats best for there hard earned money.
what happened with how good the KKR units were?

Thats very weird..

The KKK units are no longer, the company in China stopped making them as they said no one was buying them except me haha. Because the price was much higher than the other turbos they were making.

weird? don't know how you came to that conclusion as its based on them being out of pocket and not getting support nor refund for a bad design but I'm sure they'll be letting him know at some stage.

they must be good if you were the only one buying them,lolol
sorry couldn't resist and that was based on the price thing not you Barry,if you go search ebay you can buy whats being sold here for 120us!!!
you could get more for them in scrap metal!! lol

I was the only one buying them cos they were the most expensive Chinese turbo out of all the ones I looked at over there. The quality was MUCH better than all the ones you find on ebay etc. No one was selling these turbos I had on ebay/trademe or anywhere in the world, they weren't available though anyone else.

People didn't buy them to sell because they thought; how could I sell a Chinese turbo when the cost price is so high compared to the others.

what i find is interesting Barry is no one wanted to pay for better quality?( or as good as the Chinese do at least)
what does that tell you
i guess it the sign of the times at the moment but this has been going on for years and with prices going up so is the import stuff to which its now not that far off buying good oem products,
again its a hard sell when no ones wants to pay like you just said.
as i said i cant afford to send product around the plant made from inferior materials and poor design not good for business.

[Bazda]

Anyhow, there always needs to be an option of cheaper items for people.
Not everyone can afford a expensive branded turbo. Not everyone is chasing for mega power.

There will always be the option of a cheaper turbo, cheaper intercooler, cheaper bov, cheaper wastegate etc etc. They might not cater for certain people who but will cater for average person.

Its just like The Warehouse, not everyone can afford to go to Smith and Caugheys.

[steve murch]

Anyhow, there always needs to be an option of cheaper items for people.
Not everyone can afford a expensive branded turbo. Not everyone is chasing for mega power.

There will always be the option of a cheaper turbo, cheaper intercooler, cheaper bov, cheaper wastegate etc etc. They might not cater for certain people who but will cater for average person.

Its just like The Warehouse, not everyone can afford to go to Smith and Caugheys.

true and i just said that

[MasterPower]

Steve you are out of order!

I am happy to repair/rebuild MasterPower turbos in house for all customers.
Your customers were misinformed or are fictitious.

What do you mean ‘not forth coming’? We have never spoken.
Perhaps if you have any questions about MasterPower you can try contact me next time not tricky tune.
Tricky Tune is not my PA.

Perhaps Mark was just trying to introduce us to each other In good faith.

Please don’t doubt or question the integrity of MasterPower.
They are mutli-million dollar Turbo specialist Company with a lot more experience or knowledge than you. They have also been established since 1966 probably before you were born.

Members of this forum can feel free to contact Barry Manon user name Bazda or myself regarding MasterPower.

like anything you get what you pay for
as for the masterpower,well i can put you onto the last 6 customers( in a month and a half) ive hard to replace all the internals with good parts and they would have a different opinion for those that have posted

Thats very odd, Masterpower provide a 1 years warranty. And if anything goes wrong you go back to them and they will fix it.

three of these guys have gone back to Oliver and he doesn't want to know about it nor supply any parts to fix.
i was asked afew years ago to help him out thru mark at tricky, i asked for all the info about his product and manufacturing specs materials etc and he wasn't forth coming.
i really don't care what anyone uses its there hard earned money to do as they please,some have luck with the cheap stuff and some don't,i cant afford to send jobs around the plant hoping it'll be OK!!!
thus oem or custom made to my standards,
im not the only one the doesn't think that highly of masterpower nor other brands but its up to who's buying and i guess the odds are some off them will work at some point but its not a market im interested in.
im not after more work as i can keep up as it is,i just advise those who want to know whats best for there hard earned money.
what happened with how good the KKR units were?

[IH8TEC]

this topic could get very interesting, or very personal, hopefully maturity will be the winner on the day and it doesn't go any further

[fivebob]

Anyhow, there always needs to be an option of cheaper items for people.

Cheaper yes, but the problem is that most people go for the cheapest option. Then, after they've wasted their money on junk, they don't have enough left to even buy the cheaper option.

Its just like The Warehouse, not everyone can afford to go to Smith and Caugheys.

Then perhaps they should go slightly upmarket from the Red Shed and maybe shop at Farmers

[steve murch]

Steve you are out of order!

I am happy to repair/rebuild MasterPower turbos in house for all customers.
Your customers were misinformed or are fictitious.

What do you mean ‘not forth coming’? We have never spoken.
Perhaps if you have any questions about MasterPower you can try contact me next time not tricky tune.
Tricky Tune is not my PA.

Perhaps Mark was just trying to introduce us to each other In good faith.

Please don’t doubt or question the integrity of MasterPower.
They are mutli-million dollar Turbo specialist Company with a lot more experience or knowledge than you. They have also been established since 1966 probably before you were born.

Members of this forum can feel free to contact Barry Manon user name Bazda or myself regarding MasterPower.

like anything you get what you pay for
as for the masterpower,well i can put you onto the last 6 customers( in a month and a half) ive hard to replace all the internals with good parts and they would have a different opinion for those that have posted

Thats very odd, Masterpower provide a 1 years warranty. And if anything goes wrong you go back to them and they will fix it.

three of these guys have gone back to Oliver and he doesn't want to know about it nor supply any parts to fix.
i was asked afew years ago to help him out thru mark at tricky, i asked for all the info about his product and manufacturing specs materials etc and he wasn't forth coming.
i really don't care what anyone uses its there hard earned money to do as they please,some have luck with the cheap stuff and some don't,i cant afford to send jobs around the plant hoping it'll be OK!!!
thus oem or custom made to my standards,
im not the only one the doesn't think that highly of masterpower nor other brands but its up to who's buying and i guess the odds are some off them will work at some point but its not a market im interested in.
im not after more work as i can keep up as it is,i just advise those who want to know whats best for there hard earned money.
what happened with how good the KKR units were?

well you need to take that up with mark as he seemed to have it all organised with you,not my prob
as far as any product goes i base them on what I've found and i don't care how big they are cause its the customer I'm repairing for not you.
my customers weren't mis informed as i have to do reports for them based on the faults found so they do what they want with that again not my concern.
I'm just doing what I'm being payed for.
there's nothing personal in this towards you in anyway,its based on facts to what Ive found as Ive done for many others with other brands.
again im not doing QC for these people just sorting their issues as im sure you would do the same.

[Mr Revhead]

whats the difference between Brazilian masterpower and Chinese masterpower?

[Bazda]

whats the difference between Brazilian masterpower and Chinese masterpower?

There is no such thing as Chinese masterpower.

[Mr Revhead]

then wtf are you talking about

[FLAWLES]

then wtf are you talking about

The KKK units are no longer, the company in China stopped making them

[Mr Revhead]

i thought KKK's were german. used to be....
masterpower is being mentioned in the thread...