dpr turbos

[cogent]

I'm wondering if people are getting confused between (really shitty) 'XSpower' and apparent quality 'Masterpower'.

[Bazda]

then wtf are you talking about

Think you are confused with the Chinese KKK turbos I was selling and MasterPower which is made in Brasil.

http://www.masterpower.com.br

[FLAWLES]

i thought KKK's were german. used to be....
masterpower is being mentioned in the thread...

out sourced brew
the kkk turbos that i get for our diesel engines ( lol they get sent from germany ) but come from all over the place one of them being china,

i was looking at one of the dpr turbos just to tie me over intill i can get either my ct15b rebulit ( planing on ) and to save up the $$ and get the garrett

[Bazda]

i thought KKK's were german. used to be....
masterpower is being mentioned in the thread...

The KKKs I used to sell were made in China - Comp wheel, ex wheel, castigns etc, but the core and internals were KKK.
You can actually see the KKK marking on the core but they had been ground off so they can be re sold.

Yes Steve was just asking what happened to the turbos I was selling thats all.

I have now since moved onto MasterPower.

Something interesting...
I went to the Garrett Factory in Shanghai, met the General manager and had tea with the ex general manager . My fiance' used to work for them and did some marketing Material.

They told me they source all the turbo parts from all over China, they only assemble them at the factory.

[Mr Revhead]

sweet

i hate coming into a thread half way through
cbf reading it all

[2jayzgte]

As mentioned earlier you definitely get what you pay for I can't stand hearing it the cheaper option cakking itself then people moan.

I personally am a big fan of the branded product as the big reason it costs so much is all the R&D involved and I personally would rather buy a quality product once than crap then realise thats what I should'nt have gone near in the first place.

[Akane]

I think what fivebob is trying to get across is, people buy the cheaper option because they think it's cheap, but actually will end up spending more money than buying the expensive option in the first place.

I don't know how legit those china KKK turbos are or if they're a knock off just like baz's pplate, and definitely understand why steve don't wanna do QC for such a bad quality product, that had no intention to make things good from the get go.

Sure Masterpower is a multi-million dollar business, but last time I checked, Steve was more than helpful when I went to him with my broken GT2540R and he did all the work for me when nobody else in the whole of New Zealand could.

[Bazda]

I think what fivebob is trying to get across is, people buy the cheaper option because they think it's cheap, but actually will end up spending more money than buying the expensive option in the first place.

I don't know how legit those china KKK turbos are or if they're a knock off just like baz's pplate, and definitely understand why steve don't wanna do QC for such a bad quality product, that had no intention to make things good from the get go.

Sure Masterpower is a multi-million dollar business, but last time I checked, Steve was more than helpful when I went to him with my broken GT2540R and he did all the work for me when nobody else in the whole of New Zealand could.

Least my plate actually refers to my car + I didn't even buy it, it was a 21st gift from all my mates.
a MR2 can do some crazy good 60ft times on the 1/4.

Of course the KKKs were a copy of other turbos out there :S. All I know is they worked. They were not the best turbos out there thats why they only had a price tag of $800. They are now long gone so we dont need to discuss them any more.
We all know the story behind the cheap chinese turbos, they will fail eventually.

No one is dissing Steve at all here, he is definatly VERY help full on information and turbos. But I think dissing some big Brands is not a very good way to go about things.

[steve murch]

I think what fivebob is trying to get across is, people buy the cheaper option because they think it's cheap, but actually will end up spending more money than buying the expensive option in the first place.

I don't know how legit those china KKK turbos are or if they're a knock off just like baz's pplate, and definitely understand why steve don't wanna do QC for such a bad quality product, that had no intention to make things good from the get go.

Sure Masterpower is a multi-million dollar business, but last time I checked, Steve was more than helpful when I went to him with my broken GT2540R and he did all the work for me when nobody else in the whole of New Zealand could.

Least my plate actually refers to my car + I didn't even buy it, it was a 21st gift from all my mates.
a MR2 can do some crazy good 60ft times on the 1/4.

Of course the KKKs were a copy of other turbos out there :S. All I know is they worked. They were not the best turbos out there thats why they only had a price tag of $800. They are now long gone so we dont need to discuss them any more.
We all know the story behind the cheap chinese turbos, they will fail eventually.

No one is dissing Steve at all here, he is definatly VERY help full on information and turbos. But I think dissing some big Brands is not a very good way to go about things.

have you ever watched target? there's good reason to why they do what they do and sorry Barry but im far from drumming up business i don't need it plus i think the kissing butt tactic would be more in use.
the whole Chinese thing is bring down more than just the turbo industry its one of the reason the worlds in some what of a slump because if it.
Chinese are very good at coping what ever just to make a dollar,they have no loyalty to anyone.
there is many turbo companies getting stuff made in china but its either in there own factory or they have there own staff over looking the process so your correct there Barry but there not the problem.
you should see what holset found when they tested a bunch of Chinese units,it wasn't pretty and they have an anti Chinese policy too.
there's a certain place in NZ that were making engines for race cars and it was a dam good product and still is.
they found getting the block here was great but they wanted to save some dollars which in a small business these days helps.
so off they went to china,yep no problem well make what ever you like.
all was going well till they found someone else using their stuff in another country,turns out the china-man was selling to who ever without asking.
end result they didn't care!!!
master power works fine and i never said it didn't its was only based on what Ive found just like target does.
so Oliver fare not I'm not bagging you just pointing out which i believe others have done with other brands.
even Garrett have faults with the gt units that i make parts for to replace and improve.
there is a very large turbo place in the usa i did a report based on what they sent to a customer down,the unit showed all the signs of corner cutting and cheap materials.
they accepted the findings and gave the customer another turbo and everyone was happy and they pulled there socks up,so it was a win win.
this will only get worse as time goes one for more than just turbos,when they go bang no ones loses a life but when times are tuff imagine with other things like planes that maybe a different story.
people are losing there jobs all around the country due to what china is doing,to which is why i hate to see people loss there hard earned money over and over.
i don't mind taking the money to fix things but isn't it better to be pro active?
if it means i get shot down so be it but at-least I'm doing it for the right reasons not to make a quick dollar.

[99gtt]

Well i have learnt my lesson about cheap turbos , i bought one of bazda's turbos and have done just over 20000 kms, and the seals are completely poked . It only lasted 4 services and only ran 14 psi .

[sergei]

If I were upgrading turbo, I would go for something bigger brand new OEM (off a car that is making my target horsepower from factory).
I am very cautious about where the products are made, and have 0 trust in Chinese stuff (no offence to Chinese people, btw I have same amount of trust in Russian stuff), I tend to stick to Japanese as for some reason they don't cut on quality as much as others.

I have seen reports on internet about MasterPower being total rubbish but most likely there were Chinese fakes.

[Akane]

Turbos are highly precision units, I wouldn't trust knock off chinese made turbos at all, stuff like intercoolers or radiators are fine, because they're so simple they gotta screw it up really bad to make them fail. But turbos, you're better off buying a branded name.

[Bazda]

Well i have learnt my lesson about cheap turbos , i bought one of bazda's turbos and have done just over 20000 kms, and the seals are completely poked . It only lasted 4 services and only ran 14 psi .

You had a prety decent run, You can buy a rebuild kit for under $100.
K27 rebuild kit is what you need.
What size feed were you running to the turbo out of interest?

[FLAWLES]

does anyone know anything about holset turbos?

good?
bad?

[sergei]

20000kms is decent run? I would expect a brand new turbo to last 10 times of that (if not more).

[Bazda]

20000kms is decent run? I would expect a brand new turbo to last 10 times of that (if not more).

Like I said, it is a Chinese turbo, not the best of turbos but better than most of the other Chinese turbos out there. All it needs is new genuine K27 seals. Cost would still be under half the price of a similar branded turbo once seals are changed.
The only other weak point of that turbo is that it wont last constant 30psi.

[Mr Revhead]

I think from this point on everyone should stick to the original posters topic.

Any other issues can be discussed in another thread or via pm etc


Posts deviating from that will be removed

[fivebob]

I think from this point on everyone should stick to the original posters topic.

Any other issues can be discussed in another thread or via pm etc

Why??? The discussion is relevant to the purchase of any cheap turbo, DPR, Master Power, chinese knock off, or even genuine. I can't see any posts here that are that far off the topic that they need to be posted elsewhere.

Posts deviating from that will be removed

Rather Draconian and IMHO totally unnecessary. The discussion is civil and gives an insight into the issues surrounding customer support and what is considered to be a reasonable expectation of quality.

[Mr Revhead]

thats because i have removed the post's i am refferring to.
which were not civil

[steve murch]

does anyone know anything about holset turbos?

good?
bad?

very good turbos and take punishment from hell
the down side is its hard to get comp maps for them,ive got a small library of maps and a few for holset to which ive found them to be under rated for what they do.
the hx series is the performance series as such but even the h1e and h2d work well when changing the turbine hsgs to another brand.
i used a hx50 on a 3ltr rb and got 360kw wheel on 16psi,which is pretty good for under 20psi.
there's many different spec hx units you can by but they don't give specs on there data base to what they do, i normally go threw box by box to psychically see what they are and go from there.