Formula 1 2009

[Mr Revhead]

holy crap thats kind of big!
but how could you be so dumb as to order a driver to do such a thing, then biff him out later on? surely anyone with half a brain would realize your opening yourself up to a big one there! then again if you had half a brain you wouldnt have ordered a driver to crash on purpose in the first place.

there will not be 3 cars teams in F1 next year. at least not until they smash the budgets down.
maybe when they do get the budgets down to the 40mil cap they will let teams run a third car. maybe then they will have enough entrants to say you can run 1-3 cars.
im all for pre qual!

[fivebob]

but how could you be so dumb as to order a driver to do such a thing, then biff him out later on? surely anyone with half a brain would realize your opening yourself up to a big one there! then again if you had half a brain you wouldnt have ordered a driver to crash on purpose in the first place.

Flavio doesn't have half a brain, there's not enough room in his head for his ego and brain to co-exist

[Mr Revhead]

that is very true!

[fivebob]

The real question is...

How much did Alonso know?

Perhaps it was his idea in the first place

[rolla_fxgt]

holy crap thats kind of big!
but how could you be so dumb as to order a driver to do such a thing, then biff him out later on? surely anyone with half a brain would realize your opening yourself up to a big one there! then again if you had half a brain you wouldnt have ordered a driver to crash on purpose in the first place.

Maybe its part of Renaults plan to exit F1? or Flavio wanted more air time for himself to spout off

Certainly seems like the FIA have something to go on, well more than just info from Piquet. Hopefully if Alonso knew about it he'll get sanctions too, i think he needs to be sent back to Spain to cry for awhile.

Or for a conspiracy theory, the FIA goes after the team each year that's leader criticises it the most, or is most outspoken, last year McLaren, this year Renault. And just makes stuff up/circumstantial evidence to convict the team and bring them back into line. It certianly worked with McLaren, and got rid of Ron Dennis, which made Mosely a very happy man, maybe Flavio is his next and last target?

[Mr Revhead]

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 29,00.html

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 15,00.html

some interesting stuff coming out

also interesting to note that plantf1 are now not publishing any comments about the topic. and Renault are refusing to say ANYTHING at all....

[Adamal]

If Renault were to get banned from F1, do you think they'd use Nissan to make a come back into F1? There was speculation about a year ago if I remember correctly, that Nissan were wanting to get into it by about 2010 or 2011.

[Mr Revhead]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78430

[thornz]

Gotta be odds on now for Alonso moving to Ferrari then with taht deal.
Dont ferrari traditionally announce next years line up at the Itaialin GP each year?

[Mr Revhead]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78446


interestng.....

[Adamal]

If its true, and they did tell him to crash, then man, they have really stepped in the proverbial.

"Thanks for breaking some serious rules there, now feel free to $&#$% off!"

Way to shoot yourself in the foot!

[Mr Revhead]

yeah, if proven guilty, then it will have to be a penalty greater than a 100mil fine.

[fivebob]

yeah, if proven guilty, then it will have to be a penalty greater than a 100mil fine.

Why worry about proof, after all it is the FIA and that's never bothered them in the past

[Mr Revhead]

but it doesnt make any sense

If renault are excluded from the singapore race, or even the season, or this season. how do ferrari benifit?

unless by removing renault from last years results massa ends up with more points than hamilton? therefore making massa the 2008 world champion. but did renault take enough points off ferrari last year to make that happen?
i dont think so

im confused

[fivebob]

but it doesnt make any sense

If renault are excluded from the singapore race, or even the season, or this season. how do ferrari benifit?

You've obviously not read the 2009 rules review as it applies to the Ferrari International Assistance program

As Luca Di Montezemelo pissed Mad Max off this year Ferrari are no longer favoured, however Flavio pissed Max off even more (as well as Bernie). With Ron Dennis out of the picture, Renault are now in least favoured position. Quite simple really

[Mr Revhead]

maybe F1 is scripted.....
by the writers of some crap soap like coro or shortland st

[thornz]

maybe F1 is scripted.....
by the writers of some crap soap like coro or shortland st

That suggestion has honestly crossed my mind at times over the years. Last couple of years we have had, Hamilton hitting the pit limiter to loose the title to Kimi, Hamilton winning the title on the last corner .

Bloody good entertainment, wonder what they have planned for this years finale? Be hard to top the excitement of last years.

[Mr Revhead]

The allegations are potentially more damaging to the sport than the McLaren's spygate saga of 2007. As a result of Piquet's spin Felipe Massa, who was leading the race, was forced into a disastrous pit-stop that severely dented his World Championship chances.

Had Massa continued without the Safety Car, he might have won the race and gone on to become World Champion.

ah, thats more like it

[fivebob]

Flavio and Pat don't seem to remember the meeting the same way, or perhaps they didn't have a chance to make sure they were both telling the same story

Briatore is reported to have claimed that he was: "a victim of extortion by the Piquet family.

"I confirm the meeting with Piquet on Sunday morning, but nothing like that was ever talked about. ...

Symonds is also reported as saying: "It's true, during the Sunday meeting with Piquet the issue of deliberately causing a SC deployment came up, but it was proposed by Piquet himself. It was just a conversation."

And then there's Flavio's alibi... sounds very fishy to me.

Besides that, there are the audio recordings where I express disappointment when I see on the screens that Piquet had crashed.

Even if it was Piquet's idea, he would have nothing to gain unless his bosses at Renault agreed to reward him for such behaviour. Crashing certainly isn't going to engender respect and save his seat, so if he did it deliberatly then he had to be sure of getting "paid"

[Mr Revhead]

yeah all sounds very fishy to me!

Radio transcripts of the race, which have been obtained by the FIA, show that director of engineering Symonds did not share the concerns of fellow team members about making such an early stop – telling the team: "No, no, it's going to be alright."