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by **fivebob** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:54 am

thornz wrote:But ultimately Piquet is as guilty as any of them for race fixing. He could have stood up and refused to do so, but in the end he didnt.

But Piquet had already admitted his part, so the fact that Renault no choose not to contest the charge shouldn't inspire any more hatred of Nelsinho than you had already.

IMO while Piquet is as guilty and anyone else in this saga, he's the least culpable of all of the perpetrators.

by **rolla_fxgt** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:18 am

Apparently the way the charges were laid now means that Flavio & Symonds get away scot free. Something to do with the fact charges were only laid against Renault, not the individuals too.

So in theory Flavio could come back with another team. Doesn't seem fair really. After all the factory workers, and indeed the Renault bosses probably had no idea what was going on.
I think this will be Renaults last season, with them getting a fine or ban of some sort, Sauber are the reserve team and will get the Renault spot. Alonso to Ferrari next season (if he isn't latter charged), and Raikonen is off rallying/partying.

by **Adamal** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:20 am

Something I've noticed, is that Fin names seem to end with 'nen'.

by **thornz** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:36 am

Adamal wrote:Something I've noticed, is that Fin names seem to end with 'nen'.

haha, cheers ralph :lol:

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:52 am

Hopefully thats the end of Fat Flav in F1, F1 will be better with out his fat moaning ass

Piquet will now head to an american series IRL or Nascar

by **fivebob** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:06 am

Hmmm, slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket for Renault, Alonso completely exonerated, Pat Symonds banned for 5yrs, Flabbio banned for life.

Looks like the FIA at it's best, fair minded, consistent punishment, and detailed investigation of the parts played by all concerned, only thing missing is the Tui Billboard :roll:

by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:16 am

Well, to be honest.... I'm sure you saw it coming a mile away!

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:22 pm

fivebob wrote:Hmmm, slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket for Renault, Alonso completely exonerated, Pat Symonds banned for 5yrs, Flabbio banned for life.

Looks like the FIA at it's best, fair minded, consistent punishment, and detailed investigation of the parts played by all concerned, only thing missing is the Tui Billboard

I thought the punishment was fair IMO

Fat Flav cant be involded in F1 ever again which is great

Simmons is gone for 5 years no loss, not like he had managed to do anythign great with Reanult recently, Reanult have been average ever since there dodgy mass damper was banned

http://fialive.fiacommunications.com/en ... 210909.pdf

This is a great read all 91 pages of it really intresting

As for saying the punishment is fair compared to Mclaren suck it up and harden up

by **fivebob** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:32 pm

JustinSpiderholden wrote:As for saying the punishment is fair compared to Mclaren suck it up and harden up

I suggest you might like to take a course in reading comprehension, :roll:

If you look carefully you will note I never said anything about McLaren, just about consistency, which means punishments need to be applied equally and transparently to all cases. Saying that they couldn't levy a large fine because Renault might leave F1 is BS. How can you have fair enforcement if the people you're punishing wield a bigger stick than those metering out the penalty

Just so you get it I don't care what punishment any particular team gets, or has got in the past, just that the penalties are fair and consistent. That has never been the case the the FIA for as long as I can remember, it's always been about who did something not what they did. :evil:

by **fangsport** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:02 pm

fivebob wrote:
Just so you get it I don't care what punishment any particular team gets, or has got in the past, just that the penalties are fair and consistent. That has never been the case the the FIA for as long as I can remember, it's always been about who did something not what they did.

well said, typical of FIA.
if say,a japanese or british teams do a wee naughty..... FIA throw the book at them. french or italian teams get a wet bus ticket over the wrists. No different to rallying.

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:21 pm

fangsport wrote:
fivebob wrote:
Just so you get it I don't care what punishment any particular team gets, or has got in the past, just that the penalties are fair and consistent. That has never been the case the the FIA for as long as I can remember, it's always been about who did something not what they did.
well said, typical of FIA.
if say,a japanese or british teams do a wee naughty..... FIA throw the book at them. french or italian teams get a wet bus ticket over the wrists. No different to rallying.

Hopefull if Ari gets the presidency all this will change

But unfortantly get the definate feeling that the FIA is just like an old english boys club, where everyone has everyone else cocks up there ass's and there only real concern is looking after them selves which mean that the majority of them will vote of Jean Todt as he will be the Status Que Option

by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:11 pm

Well, it's interesting that Symonds and Renault's own report (witness X!) say piquet suggested the crash idea first....

by **fangsport** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:36 am

Mr Revhead wrote:Well, it's interesting that Symonds and Renault's own report (witness X!) say piquet suggested the crash idea first....

the mysterious witness 'X'. sounds like a dodgy NZ rape and murder trial!!

by **Adamal** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:39 am

Looks like the Spa circuit is having a Western Springs moment :roll:

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 45,00.html

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:47 am

Adamal wrote:Looks like the Spa circuit is having a Western Springs moment

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 45,00.html

Typical 1 person can riun it for 1000000000's of others

If you buy a house next to an airport expect noise if you buy a house near a race track expect noise, its pretty simple isnt it really

Also unfortunatly looks like Ferrari are going to jettison there best driver for Captain average Alonso (Waits for flaming about how he was a 2 time champion, when really if it wasnt for the mass damper he wouldnt have won shit as y the time it was banned in his second season he already had the title in the bag for the second time)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78805

Just hope that if Kimi does get the boot he goes back to McLaren and then shits on Ferrari and takes the tile next year

by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:05 am

dude, your obsession with this mass damper is getting disturbing

by **Fortyone.co.nz** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:24 pm

Adamal wrote:Looks like the Spa circuit is having a Western Springs moment

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3 ... 45,00.html

Issues like this irk me. They bought a house. Next to a race track. And now they're complaining about noise? There should be a fine for being so stupid.

by **spencer** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:45 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:dude, your obsession with this mass damper is getting disturbing

yea the mass damper was a sweet idea, good on anyone who exploits the rules and gets away with it

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:49 am

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78831

by **Fortyone.co.nz** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:53 am

Convenient for ING I think, more than anything else. I think Renault will be the next to drop.

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