LeMons 2 hour endurance race at Hampton Downs

[chch34]

Dumpster diving for parts? How do we prove they cost no $$'s?

just got to keep in mind what the car would fetch on trademe if you cant prove the value. they are going to have a panel or something, who will basically judge what its worth, and deduct laps for penalties.

[no_8wire]

[quote="molex"]So keen.

Few questions pop to mind:

Swapping bits, if we for instance are building a corolla with the non-vented nana spec brakes, what's the legalities of swapping to something a bit less poos if you already have the parts in your big pile of car crap? Is there an agreed nominal value for bits like this? Pickapart rates?

Dumpster diving for parts? How do we prove they cost no $$'s?

Cage is the biggest question, to be honest this will make or break the event as I'm sure you're aware. Since we're talking about disposable shells, welding in $1500 worth of cage really isn't cool

Basically I'm wondering exactly how I would go about using up all the bits and pieces I have lying around, whilst still keeping within the spirit of the rules. I'm not talking about expensive aftermarket gear, just average condition stock standard spares that tend to accumulate.[/quote

Brakes, including calipers, pads disks etc as well as tyres wheels are excluded from the $700 limit as these are a safety feature. Have a look at the rules its in there.

[molex]

Actually in the revised rules it elaborates and says:

Amendment to Rule 4.2.1 part "# Wheels, tires, and brake components" changed to "# Tires, brake pads and Brake discs/drums" Reason= to stop people spending $4000 on a Brembo Big brake kit or $1500 on some nice rims.

E.g it limits to consumable items

I wouldn't consider trademe value to be fair and equitable for a lot of things, way too variable

another question I've just thought of, what about costs of fabrication? e.g cost of steel/alloy/etc

Service related items for the engine? oil/filters/etc

Getting together a genuine $700 car then welding in $1500 roll cage and $500-1000 worth of seat and harness would get a bit depressing, especially considering the disposable nature of the cars

If you're building it for a 24 hour race, that's one thing.. but 2 hours isn't all that long.

[snwtoy]

Fully loving this concept. I might even be able to get something together to race

[chch34]

I wouldn't consider trademe value to be fair and equitable for a lot of things, way too variable

Yea i think my 4age ae101 levin would be a good example of that..

Another question I've just thought of, what about costs of fabrication? e.g cost of steel/alloy/etc

Service related items for the engine? oil/filters/etc

Getting together a genuine $700 car then welding in $1500 roll cage and $500-1000 worth of seat and harness would get a bit depressing, especially considering the disposable nature of the cars

If you're building it for a 24 hour race, that's one thing.. but 2 hours isn't all that long.

oil and filters etc gotta be exempt, surely. brake fluid would be a safety thing..

Yea maybe would be better if it was a $1500 limit, and a 12 or 24 hour race. Even 6 hours would be mint.

But its a big step up from (non caged) 2 hour $700 to caged $1500 12 hour. the costs would be 10x

[chch34]

but my 101 would still be mint for 12 hour i recon

[rollaholic]

im keen to get involved with spanner spinning expertise / tools / maybe even some workshop time if the car is mobile - can use my work after hours but boss not keen on piles of crap polluting our limited space, we got enough alfas in bits already

so if anyone is interested in fronting with a car, i'd love to get a bit of a team going!

[chch34]

Yanks have got it right. I think its 12 hours saturday and 12 ours on the sunday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSItd2_zfPA&NR=1


and some good rules to think about...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4tp2VYhhTI

awesome!

[Leon]

sounds like the guys dad is setting it all up, he works at Hampton Downs, and they are trying to persuade MSNZ to let us use club sport rules with more than 6 cars on the track, for more than 3 laps. ie, car that is safe, up to scrutineers standard, fire ext, standard seats and belts.

Personally id much rather be out there with a cage, but when you have a cage its mandatory to have race seat and harness.

maybe if MSNZ wont budge, the car value will have to be increased to $1500, and make it a 6 hour endurance or something . that would be mint, but much much more expensive to build the car and compete. but more worthwhile spending $1500 on a cage...

To clarify the most commonly misunderstood rule ever, a road legal car does not need roll protection in a race.

A non road legal car in a race (as compared to a Clubsport event), does need roll protection unless they get a special event permit.

The organiser knows this because I contacted him about it.

[fangsport]

A non road legal car in a race (as compared to a Clubsport event), does need roll protection unless they get a special event permit.

bugger, i was thinking that non-road legal only needed a MSNZ logbook as minimum . i guess that is only Clubsport, as have never had much to do with the technical side of clubmans race meetings.

[chch34]

ah cheers for that. yea i only just delt with clubsport too.

heres hoping he can get a parmit to bypass that rule
maybe just have a few chicaines to keep speeds down

[Sh0ckwave]

So does that mean that a deregistered car that is still up to WOF standard would not be considered road legal and needs a roll cage?

[Leon]

So does that mean that a deregistered car that is still up to WOF standard would not be considered road legal and needs a roll cage?

That is exactly correct.

For an event running under a Race permit anyway.

[steve murch]

hay guys, Ive been reading the posts and ideas put forward and it would make an interesting event but,
it also throws up many problems both for safety and legal side for the venue holders.
as an idea keep with what you want to cost wise but maybe make it a grass Karna?
lots of fun and you only need a farm etc to run on, the other instead of cars maybe do ride-on lawn mowers?
you'll still need some common sense rules and safety concerns to be adhered to but cost will fit within the budget being set,even i would have ago at the lawn mower race

[Boosted_162]

hay guys, Ive been reading the posts and ideas put forward and it would make an interesting event but,
it also throws up many problems both for safety and legal side for the venue holders.
as an idea keep with what you want to cost wise but maybe make it a grass Karna?
lots of fun and you only need a farm etc to run on, the other instead of cars maybe do ride-on lawn mowers?
you'll still need some common sense rules and safety concerns to be adhered to but cost will fit within the budget being set,even i would have ago at the lawn mower race

Do you suggest ride on mowers because you have a turbo one Steve? Cos i know for sure that your one would be faster than mine!!

[steve murch]

hay guys, Ive been reading the posts and ideas put forward and it would make an interesting event but,
it also throws up many problems both for safety and legal side for the venue holders.
as an idea keep with what you want to cost wise but maybe make it a grass Karna?
lots of fun and you only need a farm etc to run on, the other instead of cars maybe do ride-on lawn mowers?
you'll still need some common sense rules and safety concerns to be adhered to but cost will fit within the budget being set,even i would have ago at the lawn mower race

Do you suggest ride on mowers because you have a turbo one Steve? Cos i know for sure that your one would be faster than mine!!

i think yours would kick my butt,mine use to go well but for some reason theres a hole in the crankcase
now i know how important oil realy is
cant complain its been great for afew years now,cutting a 1/3 of an ha with a walk behind is bloody hard work

[chch34]

hay guys, Ive been reading the posts and ideas put forward and it would make an interesting event but,
it also throws up many problems both for safety and legal side for the venue holders.
as an idea keep with what you want to cost wise but maybe make it a grass Karna?
lots of fun and you only need a farm etc to run on, the other instead of cars maybe do ride-on lawn mowers?
you'll still need some common sense rules and safety concerns to be adhered to but cost will fit within the budget being set,even i would have ago at the lawn mower race

if worst comes to worst and te guy cant get a permit, i think it'd be sweet if he raises it to $1500 limit, cage, race seat and harness compulsary, has a MINIMUM of 4 drivers, and made it a 12 hour race.

you'd get a few guys to put some money in, build a car and have some fun. more of a team race then.

[rollaholic]

i wonder what the ratio of DNF would be on a 12 hour race with a bunch of essentially standard lemons

[steve murch]

I'm behind the whole idea 100%

but unfortunately it ll be the powers to be that ll make life hard

that's what puts hold to most events,and for gods sake never mention
osh!!!!!
they kill fun for everyone

[molex]

THREAD RESURRECTION!

I take it this didn't go anywhere? Have just been watching 24 hours of lemons at Thunderhill on youtube. Still super keen.