No Rally NZ next year

[Mr Revhead]

For the month maybe.... Long term looking at all the years the rally has been/will be here compared to how long the RWC will be here etc...
The rally is a long term on going boost to our economy. The RWC is a one off that will have an effect for 2-3 months.
Plus it is costing a heap of money to stage... look at all the $$ being spent on upgrading all sorts of crap. I would not be at all surprised to see a lot of the money lost, or not recovered by the communities who spent it.

Thats what I'm getting at, skipping the rally for another year hurts the chances of us keeping it. it's already under threat.

[TRD Man]

Don't buy into all the arguments about how much is spent by visitors and how many spin off tourists there'll be. It's mostly crap.
Doesn't matter what the event, when the fans have gone home and the retailers cash up, the figures are usually nowhere near what is promised.

In reality, the number of tourists generated by someone on the other side of the world watching WRC coverage and seeing little old clean green NZ pastures could be counted on one hand.

In contrast, the sheer number of visitors who come here for the RWC and who may return for other fixtures would swamp anything the rally will produce.

I'm as big a rally fan as it's possible to be but even I recognise that too often we believe too much of our own press.

Motorsport, collectively, is a huge spectator & media sport. Right up there with the biggies. In fact for many years throughout the 80's it was touted as the #1. But that was entirely on the strength of F1 & the yankee speedway (NASCAR, INDY etc...) type events. Take those out and the popularity plummets.

You are correct. It did look like we had managed to shrug off the bi-ennial event sharing with Australia and not running an event next year could jeopardise our chances of getting back in.
But running a substandard event would have knocked them for six for sure.

Have some faith that we have good people right in the thick of the decision making and, if appropriate, they'll be doing their level best to support our return.

[Bling]

Something found on the net somewhere to try make my argument about meat heads seem right...

I'm not going to read a wall of text you have found somewhere on the net, really don't see the point. Hell, you probably haven't even read it yourself.

You're a meat head due to your views that if you're not interested in it, anyone that is, is a meat head. If there was a leader of the meat heads, with views like that, it would be you. That's just my view though. I can't stand people that will bag something as much as they can just because it doesn't interest them. Find something better to do with all that energy I say.


In regards to the rally though, if we don't have the resources to run both events, then you can't expect NZ to drop the RWC which has been obviously in the pipeline for years over an event that can possibly come here next year. When do you next think we will get the RWC? Not for a long time.

[sergei]

Something found on the net somewhere to try make my argument about meat heads seem right...

I'm not going to read a wall of text you have found somewhere on the net, really don't see the point. Hell, you probably haven't even read it yourself.

You're a meat head due to your views that if you're not interested in it, anyone that is, is a meat head. If there was a leader of the meat heads, with views like that, it would be you. That's just my view though. I can't stand people that will bag something as much as they can just because it doesn't interest them. Find something better to do with all that energy I say.


In regards to the rally though, if we don't have the resources to run both events, then you can't expect NZ to drop the RWC which has been obviously in the pipeline for years over an event that can possibly come here next year. When do you next think we will get the RWC? Not for a long time.

hey intellectual, you haven't read it and you make comment about it.
That was a short story (really famous as well), read it if and if you have even little bit of intellect, you claim to have, you might like it. In fact it supports some of your points.

I have read it myself a few times.


Building large-ass stadium, promoting some sport over spending money on education, from my point of view is a bad thing, and I can bag it as much as I can, as it certainly affects me. I don't care how much money it brings, if it severely reduces literacy it is a bad thing.

How many of you can spell properly without using spell check?
How many of you can multiply two digit numbers and divide without using paper or calculator?

Remember: New Zealand is behind by at least 5 years in education. Correction - it was behind by 5 years, 13 years ago, now probably is behind by 7ish according to material that my sister studies in her last year of high school.

Education is far more important than rugby (or any other sport).
Education is far better investment than a stadium, in long term.

By definition of meat head:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meathead
I am certainly not. While most of rugby players will fall into that category.

[Bling]

Pass thanks.

[xsspeed]

Sergei,

You are obviously a smart guy, but it seems as though you have a fairly twisted/corrupted view of everything in the world that you do not appreciate. Perhaps even a lack of empathy, given that you seem unable to relate to others and appreciate their interest in other things.

The fact that you paint everyone with the same brush by saying rugby players/supporters are meatheads indicates this. To be honest, its as bad as those who suggest all who show even a vague interest in cars are 'boyracer meatheads'.

I have played rugby since I was four years old, and have been quite successful with it, including a couple of professional contracts overseas (albeit not at the highest level just yet). I would also consider myself rather intelligent, my school and university results show this, as does my current occupation, so perhaps you can understand why I take offence when you label me as a meathead.

Then again, perhaps your lack of empathy will prevent it.

[sergei]

Sergei,

You are obviously a smart guy, but it seems as though you have a fairly twisted/corrupted view of everything in the world that you do not appreciate. Perhaps even a lack of empathy, given that you seem unable to relate to others and appreciate their interest in other things.

The fact that you paint everyone with the same brush by saying rugby players/supporters are meatheads indicates this. To be honest, its as bad as those who suggest all who show even a vague interest in cars are 'boyracer meatheads'.

I have played rugby since I was four years old, and have been quite successful with it, including a couple of professional contracts overseas (albeit not at the highest level just yet). I would also consider myself rather intelligent, my school and university results show this, as does my current occupation, so perhaps you can understand why I take offence when you label me as a meathead.

Then again, perhaps your lack of empathy will prevent it.

No I don't label people like you meatheads.
I label people who I see on the streets at night getting drunk because of rugby and starting fights because you don't support their team. Majority of rugby watchers are meatheads. How many of them come there to watch sport, instead of getting drunk and causing mayhem?

I also see a bad direction that education in NZ is taking, rugby players have more facilities than say kids interested in sciences. In fact hobbies like electronics are discouraged, while rugby is supported. This what gets me. Knowledgeable kids are far more important than kids with bad knees (or whatever sport injuries people get).

I also like making generalisations to sparkle a good debate.

[xsspeed]

Yes there are supporters who are drongo's but you can find them in any sport. Look at the soccer hooligans in the UK. Though I have to say, in rugby there tends to be more of a friendly rivalry, rather than utter hatred for the other team/their supporters.

Unfortunately, I think you are actually looking at the minority and basing your assumptions on this. As is always the case the minority spoil it for the majority.

I can't speak for every school, but for at least the high school I went to, which is quite high achieving both academically and sporting wise, the teachers (besides PE) were all academics, and all learning was pushed, even for those who struggled (We had 'streamed' classes).

In fact, I found it harder to be taken seriously by these academics due to the fact I was one of the 'star' 1st XV players, but also in the top class stream. I was continuously discredited/knocked back despite my work being to the same standard as the top scholars. At least my external exam marks reflected this.

[FLAWLES]

In regards to the rally though, if we don't have the resources to run both events, then you can't expect NZ to drop the RWC which has been obviously in the pipeline for years over an event that can possibly come here next year. When do you next think we will get the RWC? Not for a long time.

agree
rwc, will bring in good revinue ( you can jam your spell check up your douche bag hole ) for nz, no matter which way you look at it, on par with the wrc, WRC will not compete

as for the meat head comment your a funny wee chap, i really really enjoyed the lions tour a few yrs back, a good mate and i had a blast with 3 irsh and one walsh dude partying with them till early hours of the following day, that alone in the waikato brought countless $$$ to the region, and that was one day one game

dont get me wrong the i enjoy the wrc, it basicly goes past my back door to the whanga coast road, nothing beats the smael of gravel dust mixed with high octane

rwc = good for nz
wrc = just bad timing

stuff.

sergei = lowlancer of the toyspeed world me thinks

[Bling]

I label people who I see on the streets at night getting drunk because of rugby and starting fights because you don't support their team. Majority of rugby watchers are meatheads. How many of them come there to watch sport, instead of getting drunk and causing mayhem?

I also see a bad direction that education in NZ is taking, rugby players have more facilities than say kids interested in sciences. In fact hobbies like electronics are discouraged, while rugby is supported. This what gets me. Knowledgeable kids are far more important than kids with bad knees (or whatever sport injuries people get).

I also like making generalisations to sparkle a good debate.

"Majority of rugby watchers are meat heads" There's a big difference between sparking a good debate and blatantly trolling as you have nothing better to do. You I think are doing the later as you are spouting off all sorts of inaccurate information. I would put money on the fact you have not actively taken part in anything to do with watching a rugby game infact. Yet you can quite confidently by the looks, state the above rubbish.

How many rugby games have you been to Sergei? As to me it just sounds like you're talking out of your ass just for the sake of creating "debate". I've been to a lot of games over the years, and have yet to been affected by all these meat heads out there starting fights. I think you would find that 99.9% of people that go to the rugby are there for entertainment. The atmosphere of being at a match is great, everyone has a great time.

That 0.1% (wait a minute, is that maths I just did in my head? Surely not!) that cause the problems, are not there for the rugby, but to cause problems. You get those people EVERYWHERE in life. Doesn't matter if there's an event on or not, a small minority of people will be out there being dicks.

As for hobbies, i'm sure science and electronics aren't shunned as hobbies. But who the f**k wants to sit inside all day doing that boring crap? Not many people, so consequently, its not that popular. Sport however is popular as surprisingly enough a lot of people find it highly enjoyable. Myself included, though just at a social level personally.

IMO, stupid things like texting has slowly eroded young peoples intelligence. Hell they even allowed it in exams didn't they. That's where they are going wrong, not by letting people play rugby.

FLAWLES, I was leaning more towards Rusty

[FLAWLES]

ha oh lol
good call

[metal_sean_head]

I would agree that there are some so called "meatheads" that associate with rugby. eg i got bottled at a chiefs game in Hamilton a couple of years ago. But i wouldn't say that the majority are "meatheads". Just a small minority.

My 2c.

[sergei]

You are right, I never watched a rugby game for more than couple of minutes.
Although I have seen a few morons fighting over it. But that perhaps due to drinking culture.

It is just every where there is rugby that rugby this. Rugby is even more popular than Jesus Christ.

How many there are rugby channels? Don't answer, rhetorical question.
To be honest I never been interested in sport games. I find them boring. What really bothers if some stranger at some gathering starts talking about rugby and I say I don't follow rugby, and he gets upset and offended.

My point is still: education is lacking in NZ. It is behind, and it is getting worse.

But here is a good question: why are you guys getting so worked up about me dissing rugby like I offended your mother?

[.:O4AGTZ:.]

Get this...my name is actually Daniel Carter(checkpoints or buying alcohol everyone thinks its a laugh). And I love watching rugby actually. Infact I rarely miss a game.

I love being around cars and working on them where I can as well, so i sort of sit in 2 boats. I think part of it though that brings me more in favour of the RWC is that rugby is basically a New Zealand past time and something we are known for. It is not very often we get to host an event of this level and now we have the opportunity. So basically just like 99% of other NZ citizens I believe I would much rather watch the RWC than WRC and for good reason.

If I had to choose between working on a car and watching the rugby I would probably just put a TV in the garage. WRC however, it is hardly even noticable in this country beyond the forums and midnight sky tv replays. Its not that it is crap or anything but it just doesnt play as big a part in most peoples lives in NZ as the RWC and subsequently lacks the interest of most people that are not enthusiasts.

It really is simple in the first instance why the RWC would be chosen over Rally NZ, sure the RWC is probably going to fall flat on its ass after it is finished ($$$ wise) but the spectacle of it will be something that NZ in general can treasure for a long time. What are cars driving down a dirt road compared to that? Its like comparing a Lada with an Enzo down the quarter mile really.

[1I1]

Yip and just need to look at the news coverage of both. Rugby gets noted during the main news then a fair bit of coverage at the sports part of the news. Motorsport - usually (bar V8 supercars or Indy if Scott Dixon has won something major) gets a 10sec segment

[Mad Murphy]

Oh yay, another interesting thing ruined by large sweaty men touching each other. This is why I stopped watching TV, all there is is rubbish and rugby nowadays. Thank god for rapidshare and broadband. I intend to be as far from NZ as possible when the world cup is on, are there any countries where rugby is illegal?

[Bling]

But here is a good question: why are you guys getting so worked up about me dissing rugby like I offended your mother?

You are half right there I guess, as my mum does actually watch rugby sometimes, so under your theory is a meat head. So she would probably be offended if you said she was a meat head for liking sport. You can diss rugby as much as you like, but making unfair generalisations about people that have different interests that you is not on. It also shows a lack of understanding of sport, so you just lump anyone associated (well the majority as you put it) together as one big group of meat heads. Catching on?

Mad Murphy, perhaps you and Sergei should get together for a science/electronics fun week while its on, win win for everyone then

[B1NZ]

So apparently according to the 5pm news just before the Rally NZ is struggling to make it past this year because of financial backing rather than the RWC.

Apparently Petter Solberg is pleading for the organizers to keep the rally but they are not sure if it will continue

As for rugby meatheads, When the British Lions tour came here a few years back the atmosphere in town was awesome and as far as i am aware they was minimal trouble. And there was probably more income generated for this country than the WRC event.

Heres a little idea, how about we make the rally of NZ the rally of NZ again rather than the rally of Auckland.

[callum]

A complete guess here but maybe the viewer numbers sugested are the combined numbers of views. By that I mean on person can see a small part of ten matches and be counted ten times. Just a guess. Also I would say international rugby is far bigger than wrc by there budgets I bet you any rally team would dream of the type of budget the all blacks have.

[sergei]

But here is a good question: why are you guys getting so worked up about me dissing rugby like I offended your mother?

You are half right there I guess, as my mum does actually watch rugby sometimes, so under your theory is a meat head. So she would probably be offended if you said she was a meat head for liking sport. You can diss rugby as much as you like, but making unfair generalisations about people that have different interests that you is not on. It also shows a lack of understanding of sport, so you just lump anyone associated (well the majority as you put it) together as one big group of meat heads. Catching on?

Mad Murphy, perhaps you and Sergei should get together for a science/electronics fun week while its on, win win for everyone then

You are right I don't understand that sport. I don't understand why people find it fascinating.
I stopped watching TV a while ago because of ads, no content and rugby everywhere.