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why are ae101 fx-gt so over priced?

Postby Tha_INS » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:52 pm

do they have advantages over the levins and truenos I don't know about, because even the higher k ones seem ridiculously overpriced on TM.

Not really planning on buying one just wanna know the appeal?
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Postby Dell'Orto » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:54 pm

Supply and demand perhaps? They've always held a premuim over the coupes, dont know if they were imported in the same numbers.
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Postby touge_ae101 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:12 pm

would look at the people who own fxgt's rather than levin/truenos. fxgt owners have probably held onto their cars for a lot longer and hence are still asking what they were worth 5 years ago whereas levins/truenos get traded so often they aren't worth much.

from my experience levin/trueno's handle a lot better being lower to the ground but fxgt's are still cool.
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Postby Leon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:41 pm

People *love* hatchbacks, so they attract a price premium
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Postby Kiwi-Corolla » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:21 pm

Probably because they hold the "Corolla" name. Typically, when people see the word "Corolla" they instantly think of reliability and popularity because of the way they've been perceived worldwide.

Take an AE101 Corolla sedan and an AE101 Sprinter sedan for example. They are essentially the same car as they share the same engine and interior, just with different headlights and tail lights etc, but 9 times out of 10 the Corolla will always sell for more and/or gather more interest due to the badge that's on the bootlid. In a sense, the Corolla is a brand name in itself.

While the Levin is technically called a "Corolla Levin", the majority of people don't know that, so will intuitively go for the car with a more recognisable badge, in this case, the Corolla FX-GT. That's my theory anyway :)
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Postby BZG Wagon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:48 pm

Great looking car, inconic status, 'hot hatch' etc.

Also lack of supply as a result of import laws - the AE101's didn't meet frontal impact standards so they couldn't be imported, while the Levin's & Tureno's could.
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Postby CelicaGT8 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:02 pm

thunder and lightning vs corolla... know who id put my money on
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Postby Mr Revhead » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:16 pm

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Also lack of supply as a result of import laws - the AE101's didn't meet frontal impact standards so they couldn't be imported, while the Levin's & Tureno's could.


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Postby Mad Murphy » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:31 pm

Could also be down to the fact when you see an FXGT for sale its usually in good condition whereas the Levins/Truenos are usually pretty ratty and have suffered at the hands of a few too many first car buyers.
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Postby BZG Wagon » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:32 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:
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Also lack of supply as a result of import laws - the AE101's didn't meet frontal impact standards so they couldn't be imported, while the Levin's & Tureno's could.

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The standards changed in the early 00's so not many FX-GT's were imported.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/frontal-impact-compliance/frontal-impact-compliance-toyota-20030610.html
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Postby Mr Revhead » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:41 pm

FX-GT's and Levin/Truenos were built and imported alongside each other.
Also the chassis numbers for them are in the same series.
All that means is after a certain date only the late models of any variety could be built. the frontal impact change had the same effect on FX's as Levins/Truenos

It's possible that not as many FX-GT's were built. But that info would be hard if not impossible to get.
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Postby rollaholic » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:42 am

they are just cooler.

i would love to own another one. but silly money for how slow they are
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Postby KwS » Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:50 am

my old FXGT was awesome. would definitely have another one.
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Postby metal_sean_head » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:42 am

Its the same deal with AE92 fxgt's. When i was selling mine, i looked on TM and people were wanting 4.5-5k.
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Postby RS13 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:25 pm

I paid $5k for mine from a caryard. Was very, very tidy.. they're just more sensible and less bogan than your average Levin or Trueno. Sold it for $3500. Got offered one not long ago for a grand.. automatic but tidy, so you can still get them cheap if you're patient.

Bear in mind though, TM prices are often incredibly optimistic and don't reflect what most people actually pay for them, or any car for that matter.
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Postby tsoob » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:58 pm

metal_sean_head wrote:Its the same deal with AE92 fxgt's. When i was selling mine, i looked on TM and people were wanting 4.5-5k.


yup this is a joke.

Im looking for one to wreck at the moment, must be japanese spec.

$&#$% if i can find one for less than $1900.

looking 1000 to 1400 top dollar.
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Postby neo » Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:04 am

Because they were being sold for stupid money in Japan back in the early 2000's second hand, not many importers brought them in.

I got laughed off many car yards 8 years ago when I wanted one as they were still going for $14 - 15k (I found 4 in the country over 6 months for sale) when the levins/truenos were going for under 10k for the same model / with low km's.

Supply and demand.

Plus they have the cool factor 8)
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Postby Quint » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:24 am

KwS wrote:my old FXGT was awesome. would definitely have another one.

This, anyone that has ever owned one would own one again.
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Postby RS13 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:37 pm

Quint wrote:
KwS wrote:my old FXGT was awesome. would definitely have another one.

This, anyone that has ever owned one would own one again.


Absolutely, I totally regret selling mine, I'd love another tidy one.
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Postby TRD Man » Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:04 am

Whoever wrote "supply & demand" hit the nail on the head.

In the heyday of these models we'd come across 200 Levins to every one FXGT in Japan so the buy price in Japan was much higher.
We were buying tidy 20V Levin & Trueno models for between 50,000 & 150,000 yen depending on spec. At the same time a manual FXGT was rarely under 300,000 yen.
So the sale price in NZ had to be higher and as there was high demand (often a waiting list) the prices were sustainable and have continued on from there.

Some of the other comments are true also. The FXGT's were roomier, mainstream and just a more practical car while still retaining an element of sportiness and, generally, they were in better nick.
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