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[matt dunn]

Petch is NZST. Therefore I'm NZV8, regardless of my other issues with their organisation.

Can't stand the guy, can't stand his "ethics". Ten foot pole.

That would put you in the majority, not the minority.

[rolla_fxgt]

From a total outsiders perspective, to me its all about the motorsport, not the politics behind it that matters.
It seemed like there was a push for more modern V8's in NZ(from some racers, and the viewing public), and it seemed like it was going to happen, then there was the inevitable pushback from those that wanted to stay the way it was, cue some back and forth arguments about who was right, and then the progress group got sick of waiting around for progress to happen, and went out on their own and setup their series(NZV8ST), and then the other(BNTNZV8) decided they needed to play catch up.
End result, total confusion for the consumer (the race watching public), and the sponsors etc, basically a total shit fight.

But usually the first to the market, has the momentum to carry them on, and win the day.

Basically I guess what it boils down to is a pissing fight between two spoilt brats to see who has the biggest, and the consumer is the looser at the end of the day, and has to pick sides.

Good on TNZ entering a new class for them, hope they've picked one that works for them.
But isn't it soon that the TNZ commitment to the TRS runs out, is it a case of expansion, or switching where the money goes?

Um, completely wrong actually...

Well as I said its what it looks like to someone on the outside, who enjoys watching motorsport, but doesn't care too much about the whole behind the scenes stuff.

its like politics, perception soon equals reality, and the current perception amongst people I know, and even the casual motorsport watcher think that the NZV8ST's are the new NZ V8 class, and that the others are old. Only have to watch the train of less than 10 NZV8's on TV to see the impression that the public get.

The average guy on the street, has say $50 to spend on motorsport, and can pay it to see the likes of Murphy racing in a newer car with biggish fields of close racing, or they can spend it on the NZV8's with less than 10 cars, with lesser driver appeal, and what to the public seem to be older cars.

But hey lets leave motorsports to the experts to argue over aye, because that seems to be working out so well just now...
And while we're at it lets just leave politics to the experts too

[Mr Revhead]

None of changes the fact its completely wrong.
Don't worry, it will all be sorted out soon. Especially when it's realised NZ public don't like standing around race tracks in winter

Will be more than 10 NZV8s running. With at least 3 makers all running their own engines. And there will be no men stuck in boots

[matt dunn]

Especially when it's realised NZ public don't like standing around race tracks in winter

you forgot to add
"and waiting an hour between races on the track."

[Mr Revhead]

That'd be ok if the quality of the promo girls was up to scratch!

[Mr Revhead]

That'd be ok if the quality of the promo girls was up to scratch!

[Mr Revhead]

That'd be ok if the quality of the promo girls was up to scratch!

[wde_bdy]

You seem very concerned about promo girls.

Callum

[Mr Revhead]

ts there job to stand there while you perve! How awesome is that?!

[fangsport]

ts there job to stand there while you perve! How awesome is that?!

ain't no good standing there perving, if they ain't up to scratch.

could be worse........... watching disgusting fat Aussie bogons groping for the very very young promo girls at Bathurst

[JustinSpiderholden]

Wow New Zealand is big enough to support two full V8 touring car championships geeze money isn't in short supply

Id prefer if Toyota were to have upgrade the TRS cars to a V6 and new chassie rather than this though perosnally

[GTTpower]

Wow New Zealand is big enough to support two full V8 touring car championships geeze money isn't in short supply

One has to die, im just not sure which one yet

[bzrspeed]

I say Toyota drop out of V8 racing and go back to what you do well.
TOYOTA COROLLA WRC!

WRC is much more fun to watch and the cars are cooler.

[Leon]

Petch is NZST. Therefore I'm NZV8, regardless of my other issues with their organisation.

Can't stand the guy, can't stand his "ethics". Ten foot pole.

and i guess that stems from well before your time at MSNZ house??

followed his antics from the Tranzam days 20+ years ago, he ain't improved any.

Yeah, he's been a law unto himself for as long as I've known there were rules and that people liked to "massage" those rules.

One year, the fees on *every* competition licence issued had to go up by $5, purely to cover money spent on lawyers, to fight his lawyers.

That's *one* guy, causing the entire cost of racing to go up, singlehandedly.

[2jayzgte]

Actually to be honest I think the BNT V8s are just a pile of shite as a car the people that looked after my car used to look after a certain competitors car and to be honest looking at the cars from there bare bones they are as above a pile of shite.

The people who i also mentioned suggested over 4 years ago now talked about aligning themselves with V8SC why not just run Fujitsu series cars in a series here they are just a step down from V8 SC but he got laughed at by the organiser of the time huis excuse was they were to expensive and what not.

To be fair I think those STer's are a good reliable racecar and in the dry round Manfield I'm guessing a high 6 definitely a 7 those other sh*t boxes battle to do a 12 or a 13 just not in the same league.

[Mr Revhead]

You are confusing a few things there. The NZV8s you are talking are old cars being replaced next season. Aussie development cars are waaaay to much $$ for here.
Are you aware of the STs reliability?

Check out the new V8 details, rather different than the old ones

[Leon]

the old V8's are simple as a rock, and not designed to be anything else. They are basically the same as they were introduced lord knows how many years ago when they were "Transam Lites"

Four speed, locked diff, carby.

Nobody is pretending that the old ones are anything fast or pretty. They're a control class, designed to

1) Provide close racing in lap times
2) Be relatively easy to police when it comes to locating cheat bits
3) Be able to be marketed to Ford + Holden fans, to put seats in bums.

[GTTpower]

I say Toyota drop out of V8 racing and go back to what you do well.
TOYOTA COROLLA WRC!

WRC is much more fun to watch and the cars are cooler.

Sadly, and probably sensibly, Toyota will only race where it can see a marketing opportunity. Hence the move back to endurance with the TS030, plugging hybrid etc

[2jayzgte]

You are confusing a few things there. The NZV8s you are talking are old cars being replaced next season. Aussie development cars are waaaay to much $$ for here.
Are you aware of the STs reliability?

Check out the new V8 details, rather different than the old ones

According to the people I've talked to there are warehouse's full of those Fujitsu cars and can be had for a pretty resonable price.

A big problem with some of the parts used on the old BNT V8's were yes they were cheaper but didn't last as long ie Wilwood callipers my guys told me there car used 4 sets of these callipers per season.He then hit the organiser up of that series saying we should just use V8 SC brakes yes sure there three times the price but we only have to replace them once every 2 years again he got laughed at and the BS excuse of expense came up again but again i think also politics played a huge part.

The Sters are engineered by the same people who are engineering the COTF V8SC's in Aus Paul Cerphnich Engineering excuse the spelling.

[rolla_fxgt]

You are confusing a few things there. The NZV8s you are talking are old cars being replaced next season. Aussie development cars are waaaay to much $$ for here.
Are you aware of the STs reliability?

Check out the new V8 details, rather different than the old ones

Given that its only one team having engine drama's not sure that prooves they're unreliable. Especially since its a new catagory etc. Are you 100% sure that the NZV8's won't have any problems out of the box?
In fact I'm not sure I've ever heard of a race car 100% perfect out of the box.

If we used that sort of logic, we'd say NZ racing teams are unreliable after the TKR disaster.
Hell even using that logic Toyotas are unreliable, as they sometimes have problems.