Lvv cert query

[tsoob]

Id like to see you get 9.5s on a silvia without coilovers (all around with low offset)

That size wheel on a Silvia is likely to breach other cert thresholds anyway.

Callum

nah been done hundreds of times. have pictures if you really want

[Grrrrrrr!]

"Been done" != legal.

[tsoob]

"Been done" != legal.

been done legally.

[Grrrrrrr!]

With a cert, probably. But like Callum said, even if you didn't require a cert for the coilovers, I cant see any way you are going to get a 9.5" rim, with a legal fitment tyre where a 6" rim used to be, without spacers/large offset change and flares/pumped guards, which would require certing anyway.

[DRFTIN]

s14 guards are massive, you could cert a 10.5 if you got the right offset

[tsoob]

With a cert, probably. But like Callum said, even if you didn't require a cert for the coilovers, I cant see any way you are going to get a 9.5" rim, with a legal fitment tyre where a 6" rim used to be, without spacers/large offset change and flares/pumped guards, which would require certing anyway.

not probably, this is affirmative, has been done. its not all about the look, the handling is a shitload better when its done right.

original point is that the LVV system needs some review, We are looking into creating an association for aftermarket wheel and tyre guys to become a voice to low volume, so we can hopefully make some of these things a little clearer.

[~SlideWays~]

With a cert, probably. But like Callum said, even if you didn't require a cert for the coilovers, I cant see any way you are going to get a 9.5" rim, with a legal fitment tyre where a 6" rim used to be, without spacers/large offset change and flares/pumped guards, which would require certing anyway.

I had an S14 for a while, I really liked it but I hated that the factory 5 stud alloys look like someone put fwd offset wheels on the back. There is a huge amount of room for a wider wheel.

EDIT: on the cert topic I really really wish there was an option to just add on an extra modification rather than having to pay the whole amount and basically redo the whole thing.

[siren676]

^this
I'd be happy to pay $200 or so to add an extra mod onto the plate, i understand $500 if its a big mod e.g adding forced induction or engine swap but $500 for changing wheels is a bit of a farce.

[Mr Ree]

The irony of the over charging certification fiasco, is that if they marginally reduced the cost of the initial inspection, and made small add-ons a nominal fee of $100 or so, I would guess that there would be a MASSIVE increase in cars finally being 'legal' on the roads. Surely thats what the govt want, right?

Im very much of the opinion that the majority of people who havent had their car certed, is because of the prohibitive initial costs, and the subsequent ticket clipping for add-ons.

[Dell'Orto]

While I agree that charging for a full recert for minor mods is a bit of a rort, I'd hardly consider $500 prohibitive!

[Mr Ree]

I agree with you, Im just saying that the majority of young car modifiers would consider it prohibitive (regardless of the fact is isnt when compared to the amount they spend on their car in total) and they are the people who the Govt would ideally like to have their cars certed.

Im sure if you made a graph, plotting the age of drivers of non certified cars, it would look be hugely represented by under 25s

[fielderz]

I agree with the above, and that $500 probably seems like a lot to the younger guys (I definitely made sure I only had to do it once on my last project), the other side of the coin are the certifiers. I would imagine It would likely take a solid day to properly check everything out, do the required tests, take all the photo's and do the paperwork etc. At about $65 an hour (cheaper end of labour charge out rate) $500 for a cert is damn resonable, considering the potential hassle, resposiblity and potental audits. Make it cheaper, and who in their right mind will actually want to bother doing the actual certifying...

I do agree that there could be room for a schedule of smaller additional mods that could be put together, that can be added to car and certed for a smaller fee, eg $100.

*edit, I actually payed $400 plus a 24 box of Lion Red for my cert haha.

[Bling]

I think the $500 cost, would come way way way behind the fact some people just don't care about being legal. When it comes to the graph that is. Pretty sure that Corolla taxi on here doesn't have a cert for any of the mods? The amount spent says it's not a cost thing, just a don't care thing.

Could be wrong though, haven't checked it for a long time.

[wde_bdy]

Id like to see you get 9.5s on a silvia without coilovers (all around with low offset)

That size wheel on a Silvia is likely to breach other cert thresholds anyway.

Callum

nah been done hundreds of times. have pictures if you really want

Yeah no problems certing that sort of thing, the point was that not fitting coilovers won't get you out of needing a cert. The thresholds I was talking about was mods requiring a cert. Can't change offset by more than 12.5mm a side unless the wheel fit in totally un-modified factory guards for example.

Callum

[metric]

They have blanket got every modified car on the Camber rule.

I can guarantee there aint many cars that the camber wont change by half a degree when lowered, the half a degree basically allows for 30mm drop and anything else is cert opportunity/modified.

Count agree more with the coilovers , can be 102mm from the crossmember on compressed springs and no one cares , however i can be 102mm with coilover suspension and have to be with the 0.5 degree tollerance.

Just crap really

More importantly though how do get an opinion/say in these rules?
We need to get our shit together rather than being walked over with every new rule and have our say.

[siren676]

Heard there's been a new rule bought out which makes it extremely hard to get coilovers certed. Anyone know about this?

[metric]

Havent heard anything but

Im sure it wont be hard if your prepared to just pay the 500 odd dollars

Ka-Ching, Ka-ching....................another group with an idea .......keeping themselves employed..... making the rest of us just though hoops.

[Stott69]

Theres the welding of forged arms rule? Not sure how old it is but superstrut coilovers get caught there. Need destructive test results to get them passed

[Timmo]

While I agree that charging for a full recert for minor mods is a bit of a rort, I'd hardly consider $500 prohibitive!

It certainly feels prohibitive when the cost of buying the mod is potentially doubled when you have to factor in a cert (i.e. suspension or wheels).

It certainly would be better if you could add items onto a cert as you went (in line with how most cars are modded: in a stepwise fashion) or if they had standardised item prices, i.e. Coilovers: $150, seats $100 etc or a full cert for multiple items for $500 etc.

[cat007]

While I agree that charging for a full recert for minor mods is a bit of a rort, I'd hardly consider $500 prohibitive!

It certainly feels prohibitive when the cost of buying the mod is potentially doubled when you have to factor in a cert (i.e. suspension or wheels).

It certainly would be better if you could add items onto a cert as you went (in line with how most cars are modded: in a stepwise fashion) or if they had standardised item prices, i.e. Coilovers: $150, seats $100 etc or a full cert for multiple items for $500 etc.

Yeah - it should be a staggered price - not one price for everything, regardless of the amount of mods you've done.