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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:18 pm
by Spannergal
mr pad wrote:lyn_m wrote:no. i'm just aware that those who inclined to support libertarianz don't take kindly to being told where to vote.
Some people are open to new ideas (me). Im not exactly sure what you mean by that statement, but If somone has a strong opinion about somthing that opposes common thinking, others might want to know why...
lyn_m wrote:chosing who you decide to support is a personal opinion, and as many people would not have gone through a lot of what has made me the person that I am today, its not really possible to explain why i base my opinions on the information that i have without providing a full autobiography.
Perhaps, but some people have a pretty good understanding of everything that goes on, some people dont walk around with their eyes shut.
i would say if you are open to new ideas then look at the websites of the parties, in this case libertarianz, and if you have questions address them to people who are in fact standing for the party (a search of the Libertarianz website will show you that I am not).
I would say that unless you know someone personally its fairly harsh to say that they don't have a good understanding of everything that goes on, therefore walking around with their eyes closed.
i have numerous friends who do not agree with the libertarianz philosophies, but do not assume that because i do that I don't have a grip on reality. these people have known me long enough to know why i may not agree with ideas spouted by many who have never had any direct contact of what they are saying is/isn't a problem.
there is a reason that despite being partway through a BA in Political Science, that I don't often enter into discussions/arguements on politics
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:56 pm
by Mr Revhead
hell you know whod id vote for? a party that
makes anyone who has finished school get put through a year of millitary training
brings back the death penalty - 5 minutes of electricity is cheaper than 5 years in prison
gets rid of political correctness
makes a decision, and does it
keeps money in health and education
brings back double happys and sky rockets at guy fawkes - and raises the age to 18 for purchasing them so the chance of them being missused is less
bring back smacking and make childerens perents responsable for their kids
slows down the immagration level into nz
pays the moari out for the treaty, then burns its existence
doesnt convict poeple who use weapons to defend their property/own safety
overdoses every drug user caught, the name for the operation is "operation: i told you so"
defingers theifs
and
castrates serial/multiple rapists
screw elections, same crap, different smell, same dissapointment in our king and country
psycho dad for president!!!!
wouldnt it be cool to see the elections go the way of this one? no more green party! yay!!
migillicuddy serious party:
After a goat was successfully entered into a local body election on Waiheke Island, the party unsuccessfully attempted to stand a hedgehog for parliament, apparently solely in order to make 'prick' jokes.
thems legends!
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:14 pm
by mr pad
lyn_m wrote:i would say if you are open to new ideas then look at the websites of the parties, in this case libertarianz, and if you have questions address them to people who are in fact standing for the party (a search of the Libertarianz website will show you that I am not).
No need to be facetious
lyn_m wrote:I would say that unless you know someone personally its fairly harsh to say that they don't have a good understanding of everything that goes on, therefore walking around with their eyes closed.
No, thats not what I was saying about you at all, quite the opposite.
lyn_m wrote:i have numerous friends who do not agree with the libertarianz philosophies, but do not assume that because i do that I don't have a grip on reality. these people have known me long enough to know why i may not agree with ideas spouted by many who have never had any direct contact of what they are saying is/isn't a problem.
ummm ok. Did I say that? It appears you do, so I was trying to find out more about your political beliefs because so far every other party is $&#$% boring/lame/full of shit etc.
lyn_m wrote:there is a reason that despite being partway through a BA in Political Science, that I don't often enter into discussions/arguements on politics
Whats that? People all have different size brains? If you doing a BA in PS then I would have thought you would be a bit more open to sharing with others what insite on politics you have. This will be the first time I have voted so would be good to know all the pros/cons before jumping on the bandwagon...
Ahhh $&#$% it.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:16 pm
by mr pad
Mr Revhead wrote:After a goat was successfully entered into a local body election on Waiheke Island, the party unsuccessfully attempted to stand a hedgehog for parliament, apparently solely in order to make 'prick' jokes.
Thats $&#$% cool!
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:57 pm
by Spannergal
mr pad wrote:lyn_m wrote:I would say that unless you know someone personally its fairly harsh to say that they don't have a good understanding of everything that goes on, therefore walking around with their eyes closed.
No, thats not what I was saying about you at all, quite the opposite.
lyn_m wrote:i have numerous friends who do not agree with the libertarianz philosophies, but do not assume that because i do that I don't have a grip on reality. these people have known me long enough to know why i may not agree with ideas spouted by many who have never had any direct contact of what they are saying is/isn't a problem.
ummm ok. Did I say that? It appears you do, so I was trying to find out more about your political beliefs because so far every other party is $&#$% boring/lame/full of sh*t etc.
lyn_m wrote:there is a reason that despite being partway through a BA in Political Science, that I don't often enter into discussions/arguements on politics
Whats that? People all have different size brains? If you doing a BA in PS then I would have thought you would be a bit more open to sharing with others what insite on politics you have. This will be the first time I have voted so would be good to know all the pros/cons before jumping on the bandwagon...
Ahhh $&#$% it.
my bad, i took what you said a different way to what you meant it to be.
good on you for wanting to know what the parties are on about.
i definitely wasn't implying that people have different size brains, but while a lot of people would expect me to be talking politics, most of my insight comes from personal experience - which on an open forum such as this i'm not very willing to go into.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:16 pm
by mr pad
Ok. I understand that personal beliefs would have a direct impact on who your voting for, was more intersted on what you saw in the party, not what makes you see that.... if ya know what im saying...
Anyways.....
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:22 pm
by Spannergal
quite hard to explain what i see in the party as i managed to be converted by one of the member who kept putting forward alternative ideas.
basically I see some merit in their policies. i've been observing the elections since 1996 (only been able to vote since 2002), and become a bit cynical about the policies of the main stream parties.
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:30 pm
by Gadget
There are two things you don't talk about with friends. One is Politics, you can see the reason for this in the above bickering... The other is Religion, and, well, lets just not go there!
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:49 pm
by B1NZ
As the Band Live said in their lyrics:
now you know they're gonna come for you
and drag your silly name into the mud
if the mother bears your children without tears
and without the usual cost of
labour labour labour
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:08 pm
by AE85coupe
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:41 pm
by blackie
Did anyone read that interesting article about labour..
Labour says $302m cost, treasury reveal true cost to be $924m..
That brash site is pretty funny tho
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:02 pm
by CaM
AE85coupe wrote:http://www.labour.net.nz/gonebylunchtime/index.html
that's such a lame attempt at a comeback by labour. hah
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:28 pm
by AE85coupe
blackie wrote:Did anyone read that interesting article about labour..
Labour says $302m cost, treasury reveal true cost to be $924m..
That brash site is pretty funny tho
The treasury cost was if 95% of students took out a loan
labours was for 70%
so treasury is full of shit
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:03 pm
by JT
AE85coupe wrote: The treasury cost was if 95% of students took out a loan
labours was for 70%
so treasury is full of sh*t
If Labour do get in and student loans are interest free, you'd be a fool to not put any and all costs on a student loan. Regardless of figures, it doesn't matter if ANYMORE people take out a loan because labour is going to wipe all current interest on the $7 billion dollars owed, who's going to pay for that? It's quite a bit if you haven't worked it out.
Helen was trying to defend the 25% diffence by saying there is interest free now and 95% don't take it up now so why would they with no interest once you finish studying.
I mean, HELLLOOO!!! Anybody home? Think McFLY, think!!
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:06 pm
by pervert
AE85coupe wrote:blackie wrote:Did anyone read that interesting article about labour..
Labour says $302m cost, treasury reveal true cost to be $924m..
That brash site is pretty funny tho
The treasury cost was if 95% of students took out a loan
labours was for 70%
so treasury is full of sh*t
Can someone explain to me how a roughly 1/4 increase in loans, equates to over 3 times the cost?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:24 pm
by JT
pervert wrote:Can someone explain to me how a roughly 1/4 increase in loans, equates to over 3 times the cost?
The number of loans is already high so only those who had enough money to pay for everything themselves would now add to that figure. However, everyone borrows more because there's no incentive to keep your loan down if you don't have to pay interest. They'll just keep the money in the bank and pay off the loan at the minimum repayment rate. Or spend the money and live it up while at uni.
Great for students but not for the country.
Seeing as I'm considering a uni degree you might think I'm not being selfish enough, but really its a small price to pay for me not to have to call Helen our prime minister.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:32 pm
by pervert
Yup, I understand all that...but I can't see how Labour saying 70% of student's will take a loan, and this will equal $300 million, and The Tresury saying 95% will take a loan...and this equals $900 million?
Maybe I'm just stupid today...
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:34 pm
by JT
pervert wrote:Yup, I understand all that...
Thought you might, just making it obvious for everyone else
pervert wrote:but I can't see how Labour saying 70% of student's will take a loan, and this will equal $300 million, and The Tresury saying 95% will take a loan...and this equals $900 million?
Maybe I'm just stupid today...
Edit: Could be a time difference in the calculations?
It's friday afternoon, don't think too hard
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:35 pm
by pervert
Good point, it's beer o'clock anyway, time to stop thinking and do some drinking...
If only the government was paying for it on an interest free loan...
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:45 pm
by gurutasker
pervert wrote:If only the government was paying for it on an interest free loan...
Aah.. friday drinks on the company account....