20 Valves really that bad?

Bling · Post by **Bling** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:56 pm

maybe you should work on ya wagon then so the starlet of yours gets some lovin sooner :lol:

MacrosSiR · Post by **MacrosSiR** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:30 am

EKx/B16B - ET 14.6 - Ali , Trap 152 - Ali (not EK9)

old record. I've done 14.1 with my b16b.

JIZRAG · Post by **JIZRAG** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:04 am

I reckon let some b16a's around manfield on megameet and let them go up against some 4age's, cant argue with that

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:03 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:arnt they all civics? cept for the top one... which wont be stock. thought we were talking integras.....

There is only one body shell of Integra that came with the B16A - they learnt quickly that 1600cc just aren't as fun

Bazda wrote:I can't believe this thread is still going

Gotta do something while the food's in the microwave

BWDOWN · Post by **BWDOWN** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:02 pm

Lith is on the money again.. lets face it the majority of N/A toyota engines are not quite as powerful as Honda ones.

I think the HvT dragdays and most dyno days proved that already?

RED TOP MR 2 · Post by **RED TOP MR 2** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:32 pm

anyone here part of new zealand hondas?do they bitch about toyotas as much as we do hondas.jus wondering

bOi · Post by **bOi** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:16 pm

pretty much :lol:

Snoozin · Post by **Snoozin** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:17 pm

RED TOP MR 2 wrote:anyone here part of new zealand hondas?do they bitch about toyotas as much as we do hondas.jus wondering

They don't, in my limited experience :lol:

bOi · Post by **bOi** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:22 pm

Conclusion guys: As for the sake of the topic, no, 20v's aren't that bad. Yes they have a colourful history, yes some are powerful some are not, overall, its been a successful engine non the less. Celebrated over its time.

But for what its worth, there are better engines on par with the 20vs for much cheaper and more option for 'tunability'. Being said that, honda b16b's are much > than 20v's, stock for stock.

you own one, its cool. you don't own one, you're not missing much

flygt4 · Post by **flygt4** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:24 pm

i keep an eye on all the forums, NZH included, they actually are nowhere near as bad. i think its the 4age guys who have trouble dealing with it, but it usually seems to be the newer/younger owners of a 4age powered vehicle that go raving on about it.

they actually have a very strange sense of humour on there too.

bOi · Post by **bOi** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:30 pm

flygt4 wrote:i keep an eye on all the forums, NZH included, they actually are nowhere near as bad. i think its the 4age guys who have trouble dealing with it, but it usually seems to be the newer/younger owners of a 4age powered vehicle that go raving on about it.

they actually have a very strange sense of humour on there too.

hahah well said..

frost · Post by **frost** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:25 pm

haha just when the final word is spoken this peaks its head out...
http://nzhondas.com/phpBB2/zc-vs-4age-vtu68932.html

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:44 pm

LOL @ crx v aw11....
aw11s are not light.....

bOi · Post by **bOi** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:46 pm

hahaha.. its never ending..

BWDOWN · Post by **BWDOWN** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:05 pm

Its funny how the formula atlantic and 240hp figure always pops up yet you never see any in actual road going cars. I know you could build a b16a to that level but why when you can do it cheaper or easier with larger displacment..?

Either way I think the argument is pretty much done to death

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:02 pm

different topic carried on here:

http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=58204

Loudtoy · Post by **Loudtoy** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:03 pm

Basicly for non variable lift cars 20v's are ahead of the competition. For all motors <1600 it's not as good as variable lift type motors. Imagine if toyota had variable lift with 20 v how that would have been.
And after a few years yamaha brings out the dohc sinel 5 vale motor in my bike and punches out around 60hp, for less than 600cc - in fact 426cc to be exact - now that kind of power (actual) per litre in the 20v would have been a much better motor. Similar power delivery would have been good 2

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:27 pm

Loudtoy wrote:Basicly for non variable lift cars 20v's are ahead of the competition. For all motors <1600 it's not as good as variable lift type motors. Imagine if toyota had variable lift with 20 v how that would have been.

Good point there....

Baxter · Post by **Baxter** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:10 am

Mr Revhead wrote:LOL @ crx v aw11....
aw11s are not light.....

Hi all; yep that's my thread on NZHondas.

Yes the AW11 is about 100kgs heavier than my street CR-X - but I'd bet the CR-X is still much quicker from low RPM even with an extra 100kg (eg a passenger) in it.

TBH, all the AGEs I've driven seem less torquey in the low down than equivalent Hondas. I believe the torque difference is because the Honda is a longer stroke design. Floor the loud button on the MR2 at anything under 4500rpm and it takes what feels like an age before there's any grunt; I've no idea how people drive these used power to keep the tail out.

No disrespect as 1) I'm now one of you

, and 2) no matter who's best they're certainly both the top engines of their class/era/etc and I'm very happy to drive either.

And bare in mind my MR2 engine is apparently quite freshly overhauled so might still be a bit tight, and probably needs tuned properly etc - so hopefully some horses to be found yet.

But this thread is about the 20v, which I know nothing about (in fact I don't think I've even been in one), so I'll just shut up now...

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:53 am

4age can rev enough so when you change gear, you dont drop out of the power range

100kg difference? whats ya CRX weigh?