cocky honda guys

OMG so shiny! · Post by **Dell'Orto** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:41 am

Lith wrote:I don't know how you'd do a Honda vs. Toyota track day - I guess sort the fastest times or something, superlap style? Overall I'd be inclined to expect Honda to take out that kind of event... almost walkover style. It'd be neat to be proven wrong though, it'd mean there are a lot more quick track-friendly Toyotas than I know about!

Thats a pretty big call...your average DA6/DC2 doesnt handle any better than an AE101/111, let alone MR2's.
If such a trackday were to occur, I'd be more willing to put money on competent drivers in various MR2's to clean up

flygt4 · Post by **flygt4** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:42 am

pffft fast times are for pussies :lol:

understeer and brake fade are where its at :wink:

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:19 pm

Mmm, Boost wrote:
Lith wrote:It'd be neat to be proven wrong though, it'd mean there are a lot more quick track-friendly Toyotas than I know about!

Thats a pretty big call...your average DA6/DC2 doesnt handle any better than an AE101/111, let alone MR2's. If such a trackday were to occur, I'd be more willing to put money on competent drivers in various MR2's to clean up

Hey if it winds people up enough to want to prove it, its worth saying

escortman · Post by **escortman** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:22 pm

im keen for a track day, the drags are fun but i prefer the corners, gota do clutch 1st tho

groupagt4 · Post by **groupagt4** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:25 pm

mayb we can ask chelles to organise a trackday for us.

toyota/honda drift day :lol:

bobbzr · Post by **bobbzr** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:18 pm

wheres all the supra owners on here id like to see a honda keep up with a tuned one of them?

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:34 pm

Once you get a really fast car, you don't need to prove anything because you know you car is way faster and race will have no point.
And people who race from lights are wannabes trying to prove something.
Even if you drive a 20v but have something real fast in the garage you lose all interest in road racing.
People who race from lights have a "small dick" complex.

flygt4 · Post by **flygt4** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:45 pm

good point sergei. seeing as you lose your license for 40km over now, most people with decently fast cars have learnt to restrain themselves, as they can nowhere near exploit their cars abilities :lol:

even over 400m , you arent seeing the really juicy top end of most cars.

most of the people you see trying to race on the roads are, as you say, afflicted with a small package complex.

the fallen303 · Post by **the fallen303** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:53 pm

bobbzr wrote:wheres all the supra owners on here id like to see a honda keep up with a tuned one of them?

yeah, but we're all an a different class. last time i think there was a only one or two hondas in the same class?

the problem with the honda/toyota drags isn't who's cars are faster, it's the fact that the hondas have a lot more cars in the more common class, the 1600 and 1800 n/a, and of course thats where they beat us, sure we win the 2000+n/a and the turbo classes, but there's not enough cars in those classes to make up the wins to win the day.

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:51 pm

groupagt4 wrote:mayb we can ask chelles to organise a trackday for us.

toyota/honda drift day

There's a dual car sprint on April 14th at Manfeild. Have all the grudge matches you want.

malc · Post by **malc** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:08 pm

TURCEL wrote:As per all racing... it comes down to the driver...

Exactly

Just so happens I am the best driver in the world and I have a 20v :lol:

unbeatable

DJ · Post by DJ » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:10 pm

Funny how in a short amount of posts it went from a honda vs toyota to a 20v vs (not 20v) debate, lol.

ps 16v 4 lyfe.

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:11 pm

the fallen303 wrote:
bobbzr wrote:wheres all the supra owners on here id like to see a honda keep up with a tuned one of them?

the problem with the honda/toyota drags isn't who's cars are faster, it's the fact that the hondas have a lot more cars in the more common class, the 1600 and 1800 n/a, and of course thats where they beat us, sure we win the 2000+n/a and the turbo classes, but there's not enough cars in those classes to make up the wins to win the day.

This is exactly how a conversation I had with my flatmate went today. If you want to be sterile competition like - don't let any of the 20vs/general NA cars show up.... wins aren't counted if they are make vs. make of a particular class

RS13 · Post by **RS13** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:31 pm

bobbzr wrote:wheres all the supra owners on here id like to see a honda keep up with a tuned one of them?

Lol. "Honda" is a pretty broad statement. A 500hp Supra would be considerably faster than a "Honda", but the majority of turbocharged Hondas these days are running pretty damn good times, low 11s aren't unheard of.. and I'm sure theres' a couple of turbo'd Hondas in the 10s. So, let apples be compared with apples..

4000GT · Post by **4000GT** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:03 pm

Bruces Honda turbo ran a 10 down here... he is in aussie now though.

This whole debate over Honda or Toyota being "faster" etc is really really stupid. I say a lot of stupid things, so I feel qualified to say that. The facts are VERY VERY few guys ACTUALLY racing dont give a shit about beating a certain brand of car. If you have a look at say the endurance race at Ruapuna tomorrow, you will see BMW's with RB26, a Altezza with a 2JZ, an Altezza with a supercharged 1UZ, a couple of ITR DC5's, a Levin AE101 with a 2JZ, an awesome GT3 (I am biased on that one

), probably an RX7 with a V8, etc etc the point is, most race cars out there dont resemble what they came out of the factory with, and making any kind of comparison is a bit difficult. The facts are, pound for pound the NZ hondas are faster, they make more power all else being equal they will be faster. Basically you can make any car go pretty fast, so lets just accept all cars are cool when they are fast cars. Personally if i wanted a FWD race car again, I would not buy the 20v I did, I would go for the Civic. Its about 2-3k worth of engine work more powerful than the black top stock. When I wanted a fast RWD car, I went with the Supra over the say S2000...

Bazda · Post by **Bazda** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:06 pm

4000GT wrote:Bruces Honda turbo ran a 10 down here... he is in aussie now though.

This whole debate over Honda or Toyota being "faster" etc is really really stupid. I say a lot of stupid things, so I feel qualified to say that. The facts are VERY VERY few guys ACTUALLY racing dont give a shizzel about beating a certain brand of car. If you have a look at say the endurance race at Ruapuna tomorrow, you will see BMW's with RB26, a Altezza with a 2JZ, an Altezza with a supercharged 1UZ, a couple of ITR DC5's, a Levin AE101 with a 2JZ, an awesome GT3 (I am biased on that one ), probably an RX7 with a V8, etc etc the point is, most race cars out there dont resemble what they came out of the factory with, and making any kind of comparison is a bit difficult. The facts are, pound for pound the NZ hondas are faster, they make more power all else being equal they will be faster. Basically you can make any car go pretty fast, so lets just accept all cars are cool when they are fast cars. Personally if i wanted a FWD race car again, I would not buy the 20v I did, I would go for the Civic. Its about 2-3k worth of engine work more powerful than the black top stock.

i'm taking his time down :twisted:

I saw he only did like a 11.4@203 with no wheel spinage unlike me at meremere. Im getting tyres like what he used so i shoudl drop into those 10s very soon

4000GT · Post by **4000GT** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:09 pm

Well you are making more power than he did... so you should take him down if your weight is <= to his. He ran his 10.9 down here before he left for Stone Brothers Racing.

chch34 · Post by **chch34** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:11 pm

4000GT wrote:Bruces Honda turbo ran a 10 down here... he is in aussie now though.

This whole debate over Honda or Toyota being "faster" etc is really really stupid. I say a lot of stupid things, so I feel qualified to say that. The facts are VERY VERY few guys ACTUALLY racing dont give a shizzel about beating a certain brand of car. If you have a look at say the endurance race at Ruapuna tomorrow, you will see BMW's with RB26, a Altezza with a 2JZ, an Altezza with a supercharged 1UZ, a couple of ITR DC5's, a Levin AE101 with a 2JZ, an awesome GT3 (I am biased on that one ), probably an RX7 with a V8, etc etc the point is, most race cars out there dont resemble what they came out of the factory with, and making any kind of comparison is a bit difficult. The facts are, pound for pound the NZ hondas are faster, they make more power all else being equal they will be faster. Basically you can make any car go pretty fast, so lets just accept all cars are cool when they are fast cars. Personally if i wanted a FWD race car again, I would not buy the 20v I did, I would go for the Civic. Its about 2-3k worth of engine work more powerful than the black top stock. When I wanted a fast RWD car, I went with the Supra over the say S2000...

Andrew, your not taking the piss out of someone or being hugely sarcastic, are you unwell? :lol:

4000GT · Post by **4000GT** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:17 pm

chch34 wrote:
4000GT wrote:Bruces Honda turbo ran a 10 down here... he is in aussie now though.

This whole debate over Honda or Toyota being "faster" etc is really really stupid. I say a lot of stupid things, so I feel qualified to say that. The facts are VERY VERY few guys ACTUALLY racing dont give a shizzel about beating a certain brand of car. If you have a look at say the endurance race at Ruapuna tomorrow, you will see BMW's with RB26, a Altezza with a 2JZ, an Altezza with a supercharged 1UZ, a couple of ITR DC5's, a Levin AE101 with a 2JZ, an awesome GT3 (I am biased on that one ), probably an RX7 with a V8, etc etc the point is, most race cars out there dont resemble what they came out of the factory with, and making any kind of comparison is a bit difficult. The facts are, pound for pound the NZ hondas are faster, they make more power all else being equal they will be faster. Basically you can make any car go pretty fast, so lets just accept all cars are cool when they are fast cars. Personally if i wanted a FWD race car again, I would not buy the 20v I did, I would go for the Civic. Its about 2-3k worth of engine work more powerful than the black top stock. When I wanted a fast RWD car, I went with the Supra over the say S2000...

Andrew, your not taking the piss out of someone or being hugely sarcastic, are you unwell?

I was out in the sun today at Ruapuna, I think it took its toll on my awesome humour. Are you going out tomorrow? Text me if you are...

chch34 · Post by **chch34** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:22 pm

Yea ill probably go out, il let ya know