will toyota do any better in F1 this year?

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:35 pm

so what do you guys think?
reckon they are starting to make some progress?
i say yes! as long as they can make the tyres last!!!

can toyota crack the top 5 in the constructors championship

Emperor · Post by **Emperor** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:40 pm

Meh, hopefully they do.
I still cheer for Ferrari.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:46 pm

traitor!!! :lol:

toyota 2 and 5
ferrari 12 and 13....

although anything can happen, and schumi has that ability to climb the field... but its still looking good. at melbourne toyota were doing all good till a tyre problem developed.... heres hoping theyve sussed it

Dr-X · Post by **Dr-X** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:03 pm

Yes, because I believe the new rules (as much as I hate them) will make it easier for them, and I also believe that chewy is losing his touch.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:06 pm

yes the new rules......
on one hand it makes it harder to race in the pits....
and on the other it eliminates stratagy options and the oppertunity for screw ups.

i dont think schu is losing it, look at last season. most domanante ever.

in what way do you think the rules help toyota??

btw lap 38 and toyota 2 and 4!!!!

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:39 pm

toyota just got there first podium!!!!!

well done trulli. ralf got 5th! yay!

zEpHyRiNe · Post by **zEpHyRiNe** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:40 am

I'm not too sure actually, I'd sure as hell like to see it happen though!

CozmoNz · Post by **CozmoNz** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:08 am

Mr Revhead wrote:toyota just got there first podium!!!!!

well done trulli. ralf got 5th! yay!

toyota pwned ^_^.

a great start for them, only gonna get better.

Dr-X · Post by **Dr-X** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:30 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:in what way do you think the rules help toyota??

Because the new rules are geared to help the less competitive teams keep up. Lets face it - until now Toyota has not been in the same league as Ferrari and McLaren.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:41 pm

hmmm i disagree....

in what way?
everyone plays to the same rules.... they dont give toyota an advantage that ferrari misses out on. in some ways its increased the challenge... engines have to be more reliable, and chassis have to be easier on tyres... so it actually increases the challenge

Dr-X · Post by **Dr-X** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:52 pm

For example, the tyre rule. Lap times are much slower now, which brings everyone closer together. Where the Ferrari boys are now running slowing laps than ever, the lap times for the less competitive teams are not changing so dramatically. This brings them closer in terms of driver skill.

The engine rule; Rev limits and power outputs have dropped, making the slower cars now more competitive to the unlimited budgets of the faster cars. This closes the gap in terms of the cars.

Aerodynamics - same as the engine rules - the cars are all slower now, bringing the les competitive teams closer to the big boys.

CozmoNz · Post by **CozmoNz** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:55 pm

Dr-X wrote:For example, the tyre rule. Lap times are much slower now, which brings everyone closer together. Where the Ferrari boys are now running slowing laps than ever, the lap times for the less competitive teams are not changing so dramatically. This brings them closer in terms of driver skill.

The engine rule; Rev limits and power outputs have dropped, making the slower cars now more competitive to the unlimited budgets of the faster cars. This closes the gap in terms of the cars.

Aerodynamics - same as the engine rules - the cars are all slower now, bringing the les competitive teams closer to the big boys.

dear lord, now they will require to make engines that produce torque lower, OH NO! its going to become a real race now...

bring on the 12L v12's

made completely from alloy

.

Dr-X · Post by **Dr-X** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:05 pm

Dude, F1 has always been a real race. It's some of the best (if not THE BEST) racing around, and probably the most elite class of racing.

CozmoNz · Post by **CozmoNz** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:08 pm

Dr-X wrote:Dude, F1 has always been a real race. It's some of the best (if not THE BEST) racing around, and probably the most elite class of racing.

Yes, but with limitations, they now require not only driver skill to improove, but different ways of making power....

should be interesting.

now make a 6 rotor and enter that

.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:14 pm

times havnt changed that much... havnt checked maylasia but at melbourne times were not that much different, there certainly was suprise at how little they did change. having said that times later in the race are quite a bit lower as youd expect.

the revs and power have not changed stuff all, in fact some teams have gained power.

changing rules to slow cars down does not make it easier for other teams, they still have to do the work and testing etc. they all still have the same rules, so the team that works them best will win. the way it has always been.

the reason ferrari are struggling is one or a combination of 3 things.

1, the hybrid based on last years car just doesnt work with the new aero/tyre rules

2, ferrari didnt improve as much as others in the off season.

3, bridgestone have missed with the new tyres.

having said that, i think rule changes to make it more competitve is a good thing, i do wish they alter the rules to make it possible for them to actually RACE

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:15 pm

elite yes, best racing? in terms of on track battles, not even close

Adamal · Post by **Adamal** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:25 pm

Hahaha a 12L V12!

That would make the car a hell of a lot longer!

Bear in mind, these engines are only like 1.3l - 2.0l

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:29 pm

they are 3 ltr v10s.
rules next year are for 2.4 (i think) v8s.

Adamal · Post by **Adamal** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:36 pm

Well I was closer than 12L hehehe

But I think Toyota will probably do well this year. Seeing as they've got a lot of pressure on their shoulders from the big-wigs back in Japan to have a podium finish.

Dr-X · Post by **Dr-X** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:37 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:elite yes, best racing? in terms of on track battles, not even close

Well, that's a matter of opinion. I enjoy F1 second only to V8 supercars.

I'm just frustrated about all these new rules, making the cars slower, and more difficult to race. I think the new tyre rule is one of the stupidest rules ever made. They should use the new tyre pit rule that V8's bought in this year - only 2 rattle guns per pit crew.