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The perfect AE86 race car, when price isnt an issue...

Postby beeker » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:41 pm

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Postby rollaholic » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:16 pm

pretty light on details for a claimed 196 hp NA...
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Postby Dell'Orto » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:17 pm

No way, not worth $30k.......









































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Postby beeker » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:28 pm

I've seen the car. Its one of the best AE86 around (especially for a race car), bar an AU car that came over for targa 2006, and they spent over $100k AU restoring that one!.
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Postby escortman » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:55 pm

that 2j 1 was only 15k hahah
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Postby strx7 » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:08 pm

rollaholic wrote:pretty light on details for a claimed 196 hp NA...


the 5.3:1 diff ratio helps iy make at 196 @ the wheels a fair bit. put a 4.1:1 in there and i'd probably only make 170 something
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Postby RomanV » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:23 pm

strx7 wrote:
rollaholic wrote:pretty light on details for a claimed 196 hp NA...


the 5.3:1 diff ratio helps iy make at 196 @ the wheels a fair bit. put a 4.1:1 in there and i'd probably only make 170 something


Heh... If this was true, then you'd make more HP in 3rd gear than 4th.....

lower gear = more torque ATW, but at a lower speed, so HP = the same.
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Postby beeker » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:21 am

RomanV wrote:
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rollaholic wrote:pretty light on details for a claimed 196 hp NA...


the 5.3:1 diff ratio helps iy make at 196 @ the wheels a fair bit. put a 4.1:1 in there and i'd probably only make 170 something


Heh... If this was true, then you'd make more HP in 3rd gear than 4th.....

lower gear = more torque ATW, but at a lower speed, so HP = the same.


With the amount of money he spends on his cars, i believe it.
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Postby strx7 » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:58 am

RomanV wrote:Heh... If this was true, then you'd make more HP in 3rd gear than 4th.....

lower gear = more torque ATW, but at a lower speed, so HP = the same.


which you do, next time you're playing with a dyno, do a run in 2nd gear, then a run in 4th
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Postby fxgt race » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:19 pm

to anyone that has built a race car like this from scratch knows it would cost alot more than hes asking,If i had the choice to built my own or buying this i would buy this.
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Postby NZVengeance » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:39 pm

very nice little car. $30k for a full rally car aint bad. espically when u look at the costs of the individual bits. Cage, Link plus, 2 seats, etc etc
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Postby 20mm spanner » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:45 pm

Just try building it for less than $30k.
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Postby d1 mule » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:01 pm

yeah everyone says its cheaper to buy, but........ if your building one yourself you generally dont go fork out 30K in one day do you, $1000 here, $1500 there, $400 there etc etc, it takes months if not years to get to that sort of coin, so i think yeah its probably good value but bloody expensive none the less
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Postby rollaholic » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:37 pm

im not sayin its not worth 30k - i just want to know more about this 200hp mill :P
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Postby 85AW20v » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:27 pm

I've co-driven in this car for Targa in 2005. It is extremely well put togther with no expense spared in its preparation. The handling is amazing - you point it where you want and it goes there. The braking package is - well - amazing too. THe car doesn't nosedive at all no matter how hard you brake - the whole car squats instead. From around 5000rpm you can feel the power coming on and then you're pushed back in your seat until you pick the next gear at about 8500-9000 and it starts all over again. Can't remember what make the clutch is - might be Tilton - but it's triple plate and about 150mm in diameter on a super lightweight flywheel, I think total for complete flywheel clutch assembly is about 3.5kg. It has a TRD LSD and I think crown wheel and pinion, close ratio TRD gearbox kit which was new in 2005 including all bearings and synchros. It's running Motec injection, big ITB's and compresion ratio somewhere around 12.5:1. TRD metal HG, forged pistons out of the States, aftermarket rods - can't remember what - could be Carillo's, ARP bolts everywhere you can have them. I can't remember what cams it running but they are billets. The 196hp was on a dyno in Hamilton - Butlers I think.

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As others have said, it's a lot of car for the money and would cost you at least what he's asking to build a car to the same spec.
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Postby scott900 » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:15 pm

d1 mule wrote:yeah everyone says its cheaper to buy, but........ if your building one yourself you generally dont go fork out 30K in one day do you, $1000 here, $1500 there, $400 there etc etc, it takes months if not years to get to that sort of coin, so i think yeah its probably good value but bloody expensive none the less


but if you are building a race specific car and have a dead line to build to, you know you gotta fork out some big bills pretty quick.
a good engine build with all the label parts will set you back over $10k in parts alone (brand new of course).
i know building to a budget or having to save up to buy the next part is a bit piecemeal, $30k for a class winning race proven and lets face it (getting more and more) rare car is pretty good.
in my opinion anyway...
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Postby nite b » Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:47 pm

Looks like a pretty solid purposeful package, there are a lot of parts on that car that would have added up very quickly let alone development costs etc.
If your intentions were to build something similar, you wouldnt go past it because you would easily throw twice that and a whole lot of time into putting it together properly.
Its amazing how much $$ even a simple properly prepped racecar will swallow- they are'nt just a caged streetcar.
I agree, $30k is a lot for an AE86, but its a proven package in a racers market, so very different situation and fair price. Hell, I wouldnt take $30k for mine.
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Postby Dorift 180 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:30 pm

True Dat!!!!!

Ae86s are the shit.
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Postby method » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:39 am

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Postby scott900 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:33 pm

method wrote:Id rather this one!


yep, and at ~NZ$56k, it puts that one on trademe in perspective.
the engine in his car is a hasselgren formula atlantic which as they state in some articles about that car go for US$45k thenselves.
a bit neater in the finishing touches, but in effect your talking about $25k more for an additional 50rwhp.
if money was not an issue, i'd just buy them both...
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