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by **Adydas** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:27 am

just want to check on somthing, Kelford cams have a good name for them self but i learnt they " make " the cams to order as aposed to branded HKS cams that are premade to some extent.

I guess what im trying to ask is whats better? would it be reccomended to go with a set of HKS cams, or get kelford to " Make me some "..

no grip · by **Akane** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:57 am

HKS cams.

by **Silent Knight** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:56 am

Send your whole head in to Kelford. Then they can make and adjust etc etc the head with the cams so it all works nicely together. :wink:

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:58 am

kelford cams are fine, and a whole lot cheaper than hks y wasted money jsut so u can say u got hks when kelfords will do the same job jsut get some hks cam gears if u want wank factor

by **crnkin** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:18 am

How much are kelford cams anyways? last time i looked hks worked out at 250 bucks cheaper per pair?

even toda were cheaper too

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:30 am

just coz it says HKS doesnt mea nits any good.
in fact quite often the reverse is true

by **Adydas** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:58 am

If i want bragging rights ill be sure to come to you first for advice ok mate, Uhhhh..

I asked on HKS as i know there is a kit spacifically for my engine avalible, at no point did i specify either

a) The cost
b) That i wanted " Wank Factor "

The question was simple, whats better an off the shelf unit ( that happens to be made by HKS ) or getting Kelford to " Make " me a cam, In short whats kelfords reputation like in making cams?

by **Silent Knight** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:16 pm

Adydas wrote:In short whats kelfords reputation like in making cams?

Very good. :wink:

Ring them and have a chat with the guys.

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:17 pm

off the shelf is ok, if you can match it to your application
whereas kelfords match it straight off. even better if they can do all the set up work on it.

i personally would go for the kelfords. i am not a fan of off the shelf cams. especially ones made for other markets

by **Silent Knight** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:41 pm

^^^ Yep that's exactly why I'm going to be using Kelford with my head.

They custom do everything to work together most efficiently (sp?) for your application. And they have years of proven experience in all sorts of different applications.

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:11 pm

Adydas wrote:If i want bragging rights ill be sure to come to you first for advice ok mate, Uhhhh..

I asked on HKS as i know there is a kit spacifically for my engine avalible, at no point did i specify either

a) The cost
b) That i wanted " Wank Factor "

The question was simple, whats better an off the shelf unit ( that happens to be made by HKS ) or getting Kelford to " Make " me a cam, In short whats kelfords reputation like in making cams?

sorry to have offended you imo id go to kelford as that can produce you a product to excally suit and match ur needs, next year when i build my forges 3s ill be gettin kelford to do me up some cams to match my needs,

by **fivebob** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:49 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:i personally would go for the kelfords. i am not a fan of off the shelf cams. especially ones made for other markets

In some cases that might be true. However, in the case of the 3S-GTE, HKS have the cams sorted out very well, and have a large range that's been proven time and time again to work. Even the "mild" 264's are good for over 600HP.

Thousands of satisfied 3S-GTE customers is proof enough that they work well with this engine, which is enough for me not to consider trying a relatively unproven combination of Kelfords & the 3S-GTE. Not that there is anything wrong with Kelfords of course.

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:14 pm

which is why i covered myself with this line:

off the shelf is ok, if you can match it to your application

my meaning is if you can match the specs to your needs then all is good.
but some ppl expect gains just coz it has HKS on it.

i guess it also depends on the circles you move in, go to your local race track and youll find a lot of 3sgtes running kelford cams. whereas the local street car drags youll prob find HKS.

no grip · by **Akane** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:39 pm

I once heard on teh interweb that HKS has patented their HKS cam designs, and there are so many people out there try to copy them, due to HKS hit the nail on the head so to speak, on the 3S-GTE application.

kelford cams.. :/ I don't know man, I don't see how some kiwi dude down south with a CNC, grind a few bits off a metal stick here and there can outperform HKS who has such a long history of racing development :/

The main point is, you've spent so much $ and effort on this, would you save yourself a measly couple hundy?

Do it right (although you DO live in South Auckland

)

OMG so shiny! · by **Dell'Orto** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:45 pm

Akane wrote:kelford cams.. :/ I don't know man, I don't see how some kiwi dude down south with a CNC, grind a few bits off a metal stick here and there can outperform HKS who has such a long history of racing development :/

You mean bar the fact Kelford have been in the business for 20ish years?

by **Silent Knight** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:47 pm

Akane it might pay to do some research before spouting off bullshit at Kelford. I think they have a bit more experience with CAMS and Head Work than you are currently aware of... :wink:

by **Adydas** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:02 pm

Less fighting more helpfull comments.. I agree with that fivebobs said, goes with revheads comments to.. HKS have proven pritty well beond any resonoble doubt theyve got it down for 3sgtes, and thats all i need to know.

Then again i dont want people to think im just buying HKS cos i want " Wank Factor "..

by **deaf_rattle** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:08 pm

Adydas wrote:Less fighting more helpfull comments.. I agree with that fivebobs said, goes with revheads comments to.. HKS have proven pritty well beond any resonoble doubt theyve got it down for 3sgtes, and thats all i need to know.

Then again i dont want people to think im just buying HKS cos i want " Wank Factor "..

Cliff, dont worry about what other people think. just buy what you think will do the job you want it to do.
Its not like you are painting your cam covers purple...

no grip · by **Akane** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:16 pm

I'm sorry, Kiwi ingenuity FTW!

I'm interested in buying some Kelford cams for my MA61 right now, what can I get for $0.02 and a paperclip!? Dude, I'm extreme OK?

by **deaf_rattle** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:19 pm

wow, what a funny guy, back on topic :roll:

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