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Postby CelicaGT8 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:16 am

Is this safe?

I hope so, im painting under it haha

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Postby postfach » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:19 am

Hahahah, I'm sure we had this talk :P Personally, I wouldn't, but chances are you'll be fine :)

10 points for inventive use of ratchet straps!
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Postby Bling » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:27 am

That is the most complicated natural selection machine i've seen yet :lol:

Axle stands aren't THAT expensive... I mean the money you save by not buying them is no use to you if that strap breaks. :?
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Postby tsoob » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:29 am

postfach wrote:Hahahah, I'm sure we had this talk :P Personally, I wouldn't, but chances are you'll be fine :)

10 points for inventive use of ratchet straps!


he is from south auckand its just cos you from the shore alex
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Postby Lloyd » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:35 am

The chains aren't around the beams because.... ?
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Postby kim0663 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:54 am

i've ripped apart ratchet straps using them similar to the pic shown above with a block and tackle. They were $25 dollar ones, and yours look similar in size to mine. I wouldn't even dare go under neath that thing.
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Postby MrOizo » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:17 am

wouldnt you be better to have it from the beam in the background?
Chains around it without the use of the straps.
Guess there's no room over there huh?
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Postby Malcolm » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:04 am

you always think that horrific heavy-thing-falling-on-you accident isn't going to happen, and then the mr2 falls of the jack stands and snaps your wrist through both bones and pins your arm underneath, leaves you unable to write legibly for your first semester of university and leaves you with limited mobility in your wrist...

I am now scared shitless of getting under anything unless I know it's really well secured and can't fall
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Postby Adamal » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:25 am

What words of wisdom would you like carved into your tombstone?

Preferably not something about hoists please.
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Postby Stott69 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:10 am

This is as O for awsome as that well known thread about welding diffs up! 8)
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Postby NZ_AE86 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:39 am

Don't be a Dick 8O
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Postby RBPOWA » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:31 am

honestly it looks far safer in real life lol
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Postby Mr.Phreak » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:36 am

It's perfectly safe for anyone game enough to get under it :lol:
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Postby Adoom » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:40 am

OMFG!

Those small ratchet straps are sooo weak. I wouldn't use ratchet straps unless they were those HUGE ones with the 2" wide straps.

I think I'd trust it if I were using seatbelts rather than the straps. Seatbelts can be used as tow rope! Strong as! I hang the chain hoist off a roof beam using seatbelts and I've had no problems.
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Postby TURCEL » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:59 am

Well............ going by some Rock Climbing basic's... Id say its 50/50 on it being safe.

The angle of the chain is wrong. The force it pushing outwards onto the garage beams, that is also multiplied by the angle.

*Can't get the link to show up properly.. so you will have to copy paste*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_(climbing)

Here check out that link...

* At a V-angle of 30 degrees, each of the two anchors bear a force of about 52% of the original load.
* At 45 degrees, each anchor bears about 54% of the load.
* At 60 degrees, each anchor bears about 58% of the load.
* At 90 degrees, each anchor bears about 71% of the load.
* At 120 degrees, each anchor bears a force equivalent to 100% of the original load. An angle this large should never be used.

There is a picture on the link with the V angle explained. By the looks of it you are getting close to 100 degree angle... so your roof is holding nearly another 90+% weight of your car.


Use the chain on the right to lower the hoist a lil.

Also you can re-tie the ratches with this knot

http://www.animatedknots.com/waterknot/ ... dknots.com

Edit:... Actually Im gonna go out on a limb here and say its UNSAFE. Sure its holding the load up etc etc but you will be in the danger zone..

http://www.secureaload.co.nz/ratchet_tiedowns.html

Those tiedowns on top got a "lashing" limit of 750kgs (I think the lashing and load limit's will be different)

So how much would your car weigh?... then times it by 1.9... 500kgs maybe?... 950kg is the weight on those ratchet's and garage beams.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:28 pm

looks like a complicated way to commit suicide to me
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Re: Is it safe?

Postby pjay » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:30 pm

CelicaGT8 wrote:Is this safe?


No
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Postby kim0663 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:38 pm

screw the car, i reckon those wood beams are gonna snap sideways and the roof will come down. they are designed for vertical load, not horizontal. Your putting horizontal load on them...
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Postby postfach » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:05 pm

kim0663 wrote:screw the car, i reckon those wood beams are gonna snap sideways and the roof will come down. they are designed for vertical load, not horizontal. Your putting horizontal load on them...


The corrogated iron roof will do a pretty good job of keeping them apart. The whole system is dodgy as though, it would be much better off hanging the block and tackle from the large beam in the background (using its chain), and taking 2 points from the chassis to the hook of the block and tackle, keeping the angle between those points and the hook at or below 90°
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Postby 1hypo3 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:46 pm

NZ_AE86 wrote:Don't be a Dick 8O


Well said!!!!
Sorry mate you would be a idiot if you worked under that :?
Not worth risking a life for! 8O 8O 8O
Rerig it with some better equipment like some chains or a engine crane.
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