2ZZGE swap

[Lamphant]

hi there guys/gals

i customer asked me about swapping a 2zzge into his ae101 levin. how much work (in terms of fabrication) would be induced, what is the estimated build time and would it be a beneficial swap

i was telling him its easier for him to use de 7afe block and his 20v head, but he really seems keen on goin with the 2zzge swap.

what are y'all views on this?

[bad20v]

I say do it. If not for a performance upgrade, but to be a bit different as well.

Cost to get it done would proberly be about the same as working a blacktop 20v up to the same HP as the 2ZZGE standard.

[wde_bdy]

I believe the 2ZZGE uses chips in the key/ignition, if buying a motor and intending to keep the factory computer you MUST get these parts as well or you simply won't be able to start it.

Callum

[bad20v]

ha ha ha!!! That would suck! You would get the engine all in place, go to start and...... nothing!!

[RomanV]

And chances are that the wrecker would know this, and charge you a fortune for the ignition.

[TRDWGN]

Aftermarket ECU and problem all solved....

I am yet to get a definitive on this but it is apparently very doable, gearbox mounts line up so (in theory) just a drivers side mount to make fit, however the yanks get a AE111 based sedan which came out with a 1ZZFE (same basic block) so i wonder if one of these mounts could be used for a complete bolt fitment....

Beneficial? hell yes

[Mr Revhead]

yeah toyotas been getting sneaky on car security...

were even silly enough to incorperate security into some ecus... meaning if you lost ya keys..... you need a new ecu....

i say go for it..... itll be cool. keep us posted!

[GTCRSHR]

keep me posted ... im interested in this

[NZ_AE86]

Aftermarket ECU and problem all solved....

I would say he would want to stay with a factory ECU unless he can afford a Motech or similar as a Link or other 'low spec' ecu will not run the engine anywhere near as well as the factory ECU.

[TRDWGN]

Guys in the states seem to be repowering with 2zzges and using std ECU's so maybe it is no big drama

[GTCRSHR]

If he is going to be putting it in wouldnt it be benificial to get a aftermarket ECU any ways ....

why spend the money putting the engine in there and have a standard ecu ?

[Malcolm]

i imagine an ecu would have to be pretty well spec'ed to have full control of the VVTL-i system on the 2ZZ-GE, which I believe is considerably more complex than even dual VVT-i

[ROBODISCO_20v]

This conversion is quite popular in japan with the MR-S. Basically you get a Lotus Eliese 111R for a fraction of the cost. On BMI touge battles they give the S2000's a run for their money. So would be very interested to see one go into a AE111. You'd give all the VTEC boys a scare for sure

[barryogen]

This conversion is quite popular in japan with the MR-S. Basically you get a Lotus Eliese 111R for a fraction of the cost. On BMI touge battles they give the S2000's a run for their money. So would be very interested to see one go into a AE111. You'd give all the VTEC boys a scare for sure

The 2zzge is a bit of a handfull even in its stock form in a corolla/runx... bloody fun to drive.

[TRD Man]

I'd be getting the tape measure out before spending any money.

We had some dealings with the company that built the 2ZZGE powered Echo that you may have seen on the internet.
They were kind enough to tell us all about it and send drawings and photos.
There was some quite extensive chassis mods required to fit the engine in and as we reckon the Echo & Corolla aren't too different here, and the 2ZZGE is a bit longer than a 4AGE, you'd want to check this out before you started.

[TRDWGN]

I'd be getting the tape measure out before spending any money.

We had some dealings with the company that built the 2ZZGE powered Echo that you may have seen on the internet.
They were kind enough to tell us all about it and send drawings and photos.
There was some quite extensive chassis mods required to fit the engine in and as we reckon the Echo & Corolla aren't too different here, and the 2ZZGE is a bit longer than a 4AGE, you'd want to check this out before you started.

You will know more about this than me, however i am under the impression the C60 and C160 box are same units but with different (interchangable) bellhousings, could this be slightly narrower which could allow for any extra width of the 2ZZ? The yanks get a Matrix which is a AE11X based sedan which the later models had 1ZZFE's factory fitted, possibly different chassis mounts however possible they are very similar...

[TRD Man]

Is the Matrix not the same as ZZE123 Corolla?

[TRDWGN]

In hindsight it is quite possible I ahve names confused ....

her is the link to one Ae111 2ZZGE transplant, the car originally came with a 1ZZFE

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/toyota/swaps/mantis.html

[CozmoNz]

uhh, no AE11X with anything that wasnt an A seris engine....

Or it would be a ZE11X.....

As well all know all to well, the first letter denotes the engine class thats sitting in the engine bay.... thus why the SW20 is an SW20... and the ST205 is an ST205, both have 3S-GTE's in them.

EDIT: Typo

[TRDWGN]

uhh, no AE11X with anything that wasnt an A seris engine....

Or it would be a ZE11X.....

As well all know all to well, the first letter denotes the engine class thats sitting in the engine bay.... thus why the SW20 is an SW20... and the ST205 is an ST205, both have 3S-GTE's in them.

EDIT: Typo

Sorry for getting things so so wrong.... let me paraphrase what i was trying to say earlier in a language that is understood by those in the depths of NZ....

Refer to the link to see an American corolla which is for all intents and purposes is the same as the AE11X shape we get. These come factory fitted with a 1ZZFE, this one has had a 2ZZGE transplanted....

The gearbox mounts for a ZZ box are the same as a A series box hence three mounts will bolt up, assuming the RHS engine mount is different one could possibly fit one of these USA market corolla mounts meaning the 2ZZGE would be a bolt in proposition to a AE111/101...

That, Cosmonaut was afterall what this thread was all about, not how well you know the Toyota alphabet.... But well done maybe you are not as stupid as you make yourself out to be oh so regularly

back to the topic on hand, it is very probably the physical relocation of a 2ZZGE into a AE111/101 seems very feasible.

Lamphant, do some searches on AW11 2ZZGE transplants as these guys seem to be doing some good research into 2ZZ'ing their MR's