adjusties fitted

The place for all technical car discussions. If you haven't already, read our Disclaimer first!

Moderator: The Mod Squad

adjusties fitted

Postby ihavelift » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:27 pm

Hey guys does anybody know how to weld a strut insert from superstrut adjustables onto the hub?

Or alternatively know a reasonably cheap place that will do a good job fitting a set of adjusties into my ST205 gt4?

Cheers!

EDIT: sorry, forgot to mention i'm in auckland
Last edited by ihavelift on Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Postby jakesae101 » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:03 pm

cheap and good dont go togeather in most cases try suspensiontech
I appologise for my bad grammar

www.hccc.org.nz

Current. AE92 GTZ the weekend warrior racecar project HERE!
EX. Ae85-aka the rustbucket or the dirty85
EX. MK2 escort 4 door 1300cc
EX. MK1 escort 2 door rs 2000 replica
EX. AE101 trueno gt apex
User avatar
jakesae101
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1178
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: welly

Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:43 pm

your looking at about $3-500 a corner just for the parts to convert a normal strut to adjustable platforms
not including new shocks
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby ihavelift » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:49 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:your looking at about $3-500 a corner just for the parts to convert a normal strut to adjustable platforms
not including new shocks


you mean the tools? I have everything i need minus a welder ... or do you mean i'll get charged $300-$500 a corner? Surely not ...
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:52 pm

i mean the parts needed to convert stock shocks to adjustable platform shocks.

On re-reading your first post, do you mean welding the strut body onto the lower casting? the bit with the two arms that link to the hub and lower arm?
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby nz_climber » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:57 pm

Stocks in Mt Wellington are able to convert a shock into an adjustable coil over.. Depends on the shock thou as some shocks are to thin to weld safely etc. its not cheap thou, adds up pretty quickly as you need springs to suit new platforms too.

Also got to ask, whats the reason for adjustable shocks and platforms, pretty overkill and expensive (remember cert etc too) for just a street car...
nz_climber
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 322
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:29 pm
Location: Bulls

Postby ihavelift » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:58 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:i mean the parts needed to convert stock shocks to adjustable platform shocks.

On re-reading your first post, do you mean welding the strut body onto the lower casting? the bit with the two arms that link to the hub and lower arm?


well i've been looking around at different adjustables ... i'm thinking some BC golds would be my best bet at $1500ish a pop, do you mean to say i'll need more parts on top of that to convert to adjustables?

And yes, sure haha. look i really don't know a lot about superstrut suspension lol ..
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Postby ihavelift » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:59 pm

nz_climber wrote:Stocks in Mt Wellington are able to convert a shock into an adjustable coil over.. Depends on the shock thou as some shocks are to thin to weld safely etc. its not cheap thou, adds up pretty quickly as you need springs to suit new platforms too.

Also got to ask, whats the reason for adjustable shocks and platforms, pretty overkill and expensive (remember cert etc too) for just a street car...


i want to do a few track days. And i'm getting really confused here, can't i just buy a set of adjustables (shocks, springs and all the shit that comes with it) and that'll be all the parts i need? what do you mean by converting shocks into adjustable coil overs?
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:00 pm

you either need to buy a set specifically for an st205
or get your current shocks converted

you will be very unlikely to be able to take a non super strut coil over and make it fit
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:01 pm

ihavelift wrote:
nz_climber wrote:Stocks in Mt Wellington are able to convert a shock into an adjustable coil over.. Depends on the shock thou as some shocks are to thin to weld safely etc. its not cheap thou, adds up pretty quickly as you need springs to suit new platforms too.

Also got to ask, whats the reason for adjustable shocks and platforms, pretty overkill and expensive (remember cert etc too) for just a street car...


i want to do a few track days. And i'm getting really confused here, can't i just buy a set of adjustables (shocks, springs and all the sh*t that comes with it) and that'll be all the parts i need? what do you mean by converting shocks into adjustable coil overs?


you were talking about welding things etc
as in your wanted to make your own....
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby ihavelift » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:05 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:
ihavelift wrote:
nz_climber wrote:Stocks in Mt Wellington are able to convert a shock into an adjustable coil over.. Depends on the shock thou as some shocks are to thin to weld safely etc. its not cheap thou, adds up pretty quickly as you need springs to suit new platforms too.

Also got to ask, whats the reason for adjustable shocks and platforms, pretty overkill and expensive (remember cert etc too) for just a street car...


i want to do a few track days. And i'm getting really confused here, can't i just buy a set of adjustables (shocks, springs and all the sh*t that comes with it) and that'll be all the parts i need? what do you mean by converting shocks into adjustable coil overs?


you were talking about welding things etc
as in your wanted to make your own....



ohhh now i get it. um no well here's a trademe link: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 701091.htm the key point in there being "a small amount of welding to required to attached the strut insert to the hub". I spoke to a guy at hyper and he said that they couldn't install them because they required that bit of welding. I've yet to get a fully educated opinion though which is was i was hoping on getting here. There's no way I want to make my own, either i'll buy all OEM shocks and a new set of springs, or i'll get coilovers. the OEM shocks and new springs will definately be cheaper, but surely adjustables will improve handling exponentially?
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Postby nz_climber » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:07 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:you were talking about welding things etc
as in your wanted to make your own....


Yeah thats what I thought the question was.. hence my answer - doesn't apply if you buying a complete set up thou.
nz_climber
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 322
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:29 pm
Location: Bulls

Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:07 pm

I have no idea what they mean by that
shouldn't need any welding at all
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby ihavelift » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:11 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:I have no idea what they mean by that
shouldn't need any welding at all


think i'll have a search around and see if there are any previous threads on putting adjustables in an st205... couldn't find any when i looked before.

if there's no welding involved it'll be a sunday job for me and the boys, but if there is i'd better start saving :(

has anybody out there have any experience on putting adjustables in an st205?
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Postby nz_climber » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:11 pm

I am with Revhead - they if they designed for your car they should just bolt straight up..
nz_climber
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 322
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:29 pm
Location: Bulls

Postby ihavelift » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:13 pm

nz_climber wrote:I am with Revhead - they if they designed for your car they should just bolt straight up..


might pay to actually go in to hyper and get them to show me what exactly needs to be welded. I have to admit i was surprised when they said i need to weld stuff but then again i have no experience with superstrut suspension so i really don't know.
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:15 pm

yes, go see them
that does not sound right at all

don't forget you will need a wheel alignment immediately
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby frost » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:02 pm

if it was macpherson strut like the ae86 where the old bottom half spindle is used then i can understand there needing some welding,

but if st20# cars use a shock fork and hub then it should be just a bolt on job.
frost
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1705
Joined: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:19 pm

Postby Bling » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:48 pm

ihavelift wrote:the OEM shocks and new springs will definately be cheaper, but surely adjustables will improve handling exponentially?


A decent set of new shocks, and a set of new lowering springs (good brand, talked about a lot on here so search) will do a good job of improving the handling over standard items. I have KYB shocks and Cobra springs in my car and the handling is fine.

If its going to be a road car 99% of time with a couple of track days thrown in i'd go for the above over adjustables. Thing is, once setup and certed ($400 or so) you can't adjust them anyway, so really not sure that's worth the $$$ for a couple of track days.

A good advantage of just going for replacement shocks and some good springs is that you don't need a cert. Adjustables = too much hassle IMO.
User avatar
Bling
** Moderator **
 
Posts: 15990
Joined: Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:02 pm
Location: Quake City

Postby ihavelift » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:34 am

This is what ST205 GT4 NZ New Group A has to say:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?s=4 ... 5082&st=40

over seas forum explains the bc coil over deal

but basically you buy a full set of coil overs made specifically for st205 ie tein TRD or you buy some thing like BC and reuse the bottom of the front factory struts to insert and weld to

I'm thinking it sounds like a hell of a hassle, maybe new OEM shocks with springs will be the way to go. But I don't know, I'll have to have a search around and see
Current: 2000 Honda Accord Wagon CF6
Previous: 97 Toyota Celica GT4 ST205; 2001 Toyota Allex RS180, 96 Nissan Sentra SG

Low, Slow, Clean and Mean
User avatar
ihavelift
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 457
Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Location: West Auckland

Next

Return to Tech Questions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot] and 9 guests