4AFE -> 4AGE conversion

[scribble]

Hi All,

First off, I have searched but not found anything that will help!

Now my question is this:

1995 AE101 4AFE Station wagon.
I'm wondering if it's worth buying a Bluetop 4AGE, loom, ecu and LSD gearbox for $800 and installing it for some more power and traction?

I might just be able to get a hold of a silvertop, gearbox, loom, ecu etc, but regards to the gearbox, would it be better to spend $800 and get a bluetop+lsd or $800 to get a silvertop+non-lsd?

I want to keep the wagon cause it's handy, so forget about telling me to buy another car.

What issues would I be looking at?
Is it a simple swap?
Would rear drums need changing to discs?
Would it need a cert?

I've done a auto/man swap on a 4wd turbo bluebird, so can turn a wrench and figure stuff out without too much hassle.

Advice please!

[Mr Revhead]

what box is it?

go the silvertop

[scribble]

Don't know what box, it's from a trueno I think. Silvertop sounds the goer

What things need changing?
I'm assuming ecu, loom, engine (duh!), gearbox, axles..

Engine mounts?
What about the front hubs?
Do I need to change rears to discs (currently drum)?

[Otomo]

Might consider first checking the torque ratings of the silvertop compared to the 4AFE. The Silvertop has peak power, but for a wagon, I'm not so sure if it will be as fun to drive in the city at low rpms.

...for a wagon, I suggest a blacktop if you can find one.

[deaf_rattle]

i got my silvertop p[ackage for $400, but that was through a mate.
id say you would have change for $800 if you got a silvertop

and would be a simple conversion for you.

[Mr Revhead]

yep, and use ya stock box and axles

[matt9ball]

Hey i have just done this conversion on my ae111 wich had a 4afe i now have a silvertop in it an its a mission.but the silver top is much more effective than a blue top.blue top would be alot easier to do because they are both 16v where is the silver top is 20v so everything an i mean just about everything has to go!!

matt9ball

feel free to ask me some advice you want to know on it.

[matt9ball]

And your fe box will be better on your s/t cause its got longer gear ratios so you will be right beside everyone in 2nd when they are in fourth

[Mr Revhead]

wtf are you on about?

the bluetop will be the same amount of work, maybe more as the ecu isnt for that chassis where as the silvertop one is....

the 4afe box is the same as the silvertop box.....

[scribble]

Clutch and flywheel off the FE, or get GE ones?
Cert?

[Mr Revhead]

yes ge ones

cert, yes

[20v_rollaboy]

hey there, ive done this conversion on my ae101 liftback

it used to have a 4a-fe and now has a silvertop in it

as for needing a cert, ive done many warrants at testing stations and had no problem. i have however converted my drums at the back to disks.

the brakes from a ae101 Trueno or Levin bolt straight on, and you have to change the handbreak cable aswel

as for the flywheel, you will need a 20v one, as the 4afe flywheel only has 6 bolts and the 4age on has 8. not 100% sure about the cluth but from memory it was the same. and the 4afe gearbox will fit

your 4afe wont have (mine ddnt) idle up pipes for the power steering and the 20v does, so theres 2 spare vaccum hoses

other wise she will bolt straight in

[20v_rollaboy]

the 4afe box is the same as the silvertop box.....

no it isnt, the fe box has longer ratios, as ive had both in my car

can reach 120 in second with the fe box, only 105 with the ge box

[Mr Revhead]

sorry, i was thinking in terms of levins and truenos...... they have the same box on the 4afe versions.
though i would not be at all suprised to find the same box in other versions

[the fallen303]

strange, i have the c52 gearbox in my 93 rolla liftback, which also came on the early silvertops. or are there differences even between the c52's?

[Mr Revhead]

its possible.. you need to look at the full trans code.

iv never bothered to look into it.

but there are several things that can effect speedo readings.

[R15]

dont forget the 90 series corolla box has a cable speedo , whilst the 100 series has a electronic speedo

[Mr Revhead]

hang on a minute

an reach 120 in second with the fe box, only 105 with the ge box

wtf. how many revs u doing

easiest way is just to swap a 20v in and use the stock box etc.
easy.

[quinny]

go the silvertop with FE Box, from same chassis line so most similar, i did a blacktop/6sp in my ae101 sedan, 3 days on spanners only probs was 1 powersteer line had to be re-flared and 6sp top mount totally diff of which you wont suffer. all the 20v exhaust parts swap over and only other thing i noticed is the 6sp has a 2 piece r/h axle as opposed to my original FE Single one. all this is piece of piss stuff until the final hurdle...............

THE LOOM
i waited 7 months for the only guy in wgtn who was keen enough to do it.
ten seconds down the road tho i felt hatred no more! cost me 1100 and 4500 all up but worth every cent, good being able to rev them off the FE's tacho too. i used ae101 tureno discs in my rear, bolted the whole subframe with cables stgraight in. have found tho ae92 subframes etc are different so stick to same chassis code and all good. my 20v wont beat but will embarass the average sti rex owner enough to ring the smaratians for councilling

[quinny]

possibly another fact of interest is i replaced the box in my mrs ae92 gti/fxgt with a ae101 FE item which lowered the revs at 100k's to 3 grand down from 3500. and as somebody noted one 12mm bolt is all thats required to swap speedo sender units so save gas and keep ya std box.

the wof outfit tried to nail me for my blacktop but lost cos i used the donor caribs front brakes as well (bout 5mm thicker) so no cert was required and they even had to note it down on the wof sheet that is was all legit

-Blacktop 20v conversion
-6 speed box fitted (top gearbox mount butchering well disguised)
-Noisy but legal exhaust
-lowered springs

pull it out for a cop and watch his heart break when he gets denied dishing up a pinky, they has to be about one of the best conversions avaible for mocking the LTSA