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few suggestions 4agte

Postby groupagt4 » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:49 pm

will be puttong a 4agte in my ae86 soon.

Just a few question

What size intercooler will do for about 180-230kw atw
ive still got standard fuel lines and s/t pump will it be able to keep up.
what kind of clutch should i get 5 or 3puk?
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Re: few suggestions 4agte

Postby Crampy » Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:28 pm

groupagt4 wrote:will be puttong a 4agte in my ae86 soon.

Just a few question

What size intercooler will do for about 180-230kw atw
ive still got standard fuel lines and s/t pump will it be able to keep up.
what kind of clutch should i get 5 or 3puk?


You don't NEED to get a puck clutch. You can use a full face one with a good clamping pressure plate. Up to how you're going to drive it and how easy you want it to be driven. What are you going to be using the car for? Racing, Street, Drifting or a bit or all?

I've got a 450x230x75mm intercooler on mine and when tuned I'll be hoping for 180-200kw at the wheels.

As for fuel pump, dunno what the S/T one is rated to, but Walbros aren't that expensive. Get one for piece of mind.
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Postby groupagt4 » Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:48 pm

oh thought id need one but i think ill blow the box before the clutch anyway. have you measured your intake temp by any chance. it would mainly be a street car with the odd drags,drift, trackday now and then
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Postby escortman » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:03 pm

iv got same size as crampy works fine
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Postby Dell'Orto » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:13 pm

If you want to go for a paddle clutch, more pucks = more drivability.
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Postby Crampy » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:21 pm

groupagt4 wrote:oh thought id need one but i think ill blow the box before the clutch anyway. have you measured your intake temp by any chance. it would mainly be a street car with the odd drags,drift, trackday now and then


Na haven't measured the inlet temps. I haven't even got that intercooler on it yet. I'm in the process of changing a few things on the car and tidying thing up. I could have gone for a 300m high intercooler, but most of it would be behind the front bumper. What I've got is plenty big enough. You could go for a 600x300x75mm like I've seen heaps of people go for, but it's a bit on the big side.
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Postby IH8TEC » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:24 pm

Dell'Orto wrote:If you want to go for a paddle clutch, more pucks = more drivability.


aint that the truth, or you could harden up and get a 3puk solid center with nice heavy pressure plate. 8O
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Postby Crampy » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:26 pm

IH8TEC wrote:
Dell'Orto wrote:If you want to go for a paddle clutch, more pucks = more drivability.


aint that the truth, or you could harden up and get a 3puk solid center with nice heavy pressure plate. 8O


Yeah yeah and end up hating it.
I'm pretty sure the one in my car is full face and the pressure plate is plenty heavy enough to handle the power the car makes, which is about 1kw at the moment hehehe :(
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Postby escortman » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:30 pm

miens not 2 bad 4puk semi solid center and heavy plate, was heavy at start but got used to it
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Postby Crampy » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:32 pm

A sprung centre will make it a little less harsh on the road too. Solid centre will bang you around to hell. Good for racing and stuff though.
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Postby matt dunn » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:38 pm

My clutch is a very heavy 6 puk solid centre, and holds well over 400hp,

and the pedal still feels like the one in my standard 20v road car.
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Postby groupagt4 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:28 pm

sorted ill get that one then what clutch/pp brand are you running
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Postby postfach » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:44 pm

Just fyi, information taken from another forum:

Paddle/Puck or Button
These clutches are sometimes quite unusually shaped and have relatively small areas of friction lining on each paddle. This serves to reducing the overall contact area acting upon the flywheel when compared to a full-face clutch. With no other accompanying changes, fitting one of these will give a higher maximum clamping pressure (pressure = force / area) and will therefore deliver more resistance to slip.

[...] there are, however, some problems with simply installing a paddle clutch with no other changes. Because the total contact area of the clutch is reduced, the rate of lining wear is increased, clutch engagement is more sudden and shudder can also be encountered on take-off.


Are you in Auckland? Go to tradeparts on wairau road and have a chat to them about what you need, they're pretty switched on IMO and can suss something out for you.
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Postby Crampy » Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:49 pm

postfach wrote:Just fyi, information taken from another forum:

Paddle/Puck or Button
These clutches are sometimes quite unusually shaped and have relatively small areas of friction lining on each paddle. This serves to reducing the overall contact area acting upon the flywheel when compared to a full-face clutch. With no other accompanying changes, fitting one of these will give a higher maximum clamping pressure (pressure = force / area) and will therefore deliver more resistance to slip.

[...] there are, however, some problems with simply installing a paddle clutch with no other changes. Because the total contact area of the clutch is reduced, the rate of lining wear is increased, clutch engagement is more sudden and shudder can also be encountered on take-off.


Are you in Auckland? Go to tradeparts on wairau road and have a chat to them about what you need, they're pretty switched on IMO and can suss something out for you.


I've been to see those guys too. Seemed good and the prices were very reasonable.
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Postby bluemaumau » Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:33 pm

go too autoclutch, i wouldnt go anywhere lese
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Postby tsoob » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:12 pm

IH8TEC wrote:
Dell'Orto wrote:If you want to go for a paddle clutch, more pucks = more drivability.


aint that the truth, or you could harden up and get a 3puk solid center with nice heavy pressure plate. 8O


yeah man i got the cuntiest clutch you can buy its mean dont listen to the littel girls with weak legs, you dont want that shit slipping :lol: :lol:
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Postby escortman » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:12 pm

my 4puk setup cost me around 300, appco
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Postby Jonno2002 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:51 pm

ive got the same setup in my gx81 escortman, sprung centre 4puk, piss easy to drive nowhere near as bad as i thort it would be. but yea if you want a bit more driveability then consider a carbon kevlar plate, thats whats in my civic and you can slip it when you want to with minimal shudder and when giving it shit its NEVER slipped on me, grabs like a puk.

i only went puk for shits and giggles really and cause i can
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Postby NOLAW » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:08 pm

iv got a brand new intercooler if you wana buy it, 450x300x76 from speedtech, got receipts etc if you wana look, 180 ono
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Postby escortman » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:03 pm

Jonno2002 wrote:ive got the same setup in my gx81 escortman, sprung centre 4puk, piss easy to drive nowhere near as bad as i thort it would be. but yea if you want a bit more driveability then consider a carbon kevlar plate, thats whats in my civic and you can slip it when you want to with minimal shudder and when giving it sh*t its NEVER slipped on me, grabs like a puk.

i only went puk for shits and giggles really and cause i can

o yeh mines the rpm stage 3, bites nice but i can drive to work in traffic, never had it slip
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