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by **NeverAlive** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:15 am

a mate is looking to get a celica, basically he wants both for a bit of drag and the look.

i am just wondering why there isn't many people building celicas? are their parts hard to get or cost heaps? or their engine simply not powerful enuf? or whatever it is....

he hasn't got too much to spend, basically looking at probably around 5-6 K to get the car, and later on build it up slowly. oh yeah, also what's the differences between GTR and GT4?

any comments on celica would be helpful.
cheers, have a good weekend

by **Venom** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:30 am

well, the reason not many ppl modify celicas is because it is differcult and parts are rare!!

The basic difference is:

ZR : Front wheel drive, non turbo with a 3S-FE (economy version) = crap!

GTR : Front wheel drive, non turbo with the 3S-GE.......

GT-FOUR: Full time 4WD, turbo with a 3S-GTE .......

of course the GT-Four have like diffenrent series too. Theres the GT-Four, GT-Four A and the GT-Four RC

by **Focal007** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:12 am

Hey Venom, What Are the major diffs between the GT4, the GT4-A and the GT4-RC? if you dont mind . . . .

by **Wildcard** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:06 pm

Focal007 wrote:Hey Venom, What Are the major diffs between the GT4, the GT4-A and the GT4-RC? if you dont mind . . . .

Ugh, do a search, this topic has been covered about 3 times just in the last week.

by **Venom** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:23 pm

ok, in that case, if u can't find it, PM me

Wind Rider · by **Wind Rider** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:09 pm

Celicas are great - buy mine!! http://www.trademe.co.nz/STRUCTURE/auct ... id=9507370 :lol:

by **suped** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:55 pm

Or my 2000 model for $26995!

by **MrBob** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:32 am

Wind Rider wrote:Celicas are great - buy mine!! http://www.trademe.co.nz/STRUCTURE/auct ... id=9507370

in one of those pics it looks like a whole lotta fluid has leaked from under your car

Toyspeed Profile - MrOizo · by **MrOizo** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:46 am

MrBob wrote:
Wind Rider wrote:Celicas are great - buy mine!! http://www.trademe.co.nz/STRUCTURE/auct ... id=9507370

in one of those pics it looks like a whole lotta fluid has leaked from under your car

atleast it looks mint! like god dang!

with a car looking like that backed up 2L Turbo 4WD, that would be minter!

by **DA-seX** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:34 am

My understanding was that they were just too heavy

by **Distrb** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:38 am

and the cost of parts for them arent cheap (mainly applies to the 3sgte), if you happen to blow something up....

by **NeverAlive** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:07 pm

mmm awesome, thanx 4 all the replies

i was quite surprised when i was reading some specs about gt4, its like 1400kg or something. that's bloody heavy.
and as for the parts, i will let my mate know about this. so he take all the stuff into his consideration... coz i think he wants to build it up. if the cost it TOO high then its definitely not a good idea. cheers guys.

by **RunningRich** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:18 pm

NeverAlive wrote:i was quite surprised when i was reading some specs about gt4, its like 1400kg or something. that's bloody heavy.

Is it?

EVO4 is 1400kg. RS Legacy was around the same. EVO VII is 1400kg.

I'd be as bold as saying that if a 2.0 turbo 4wd isn't at least 1350kg then it is lacking in either strength or build quality (ie cheap junk interior). GT-Four isn't lacking in either area.

Sure an early WRX was much lighter, but which is the rattly heap of junk now? They were built for a less discerning market.

by **ThePretender** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:43 pm

the reason I ended up buying a GT-Four was because I just got sick of seeing those damn evo's everywhere... sure they are quick on the quarter mile, but if you were to race them on the motorway i would almost guarantee the GT4 will beat any evo or wrx- well this is coming from first hand experience

hehe

+ an evo is $75k new, a WRX is $65k new... and the GT4 when it used to retail over here was 96 grand! so hmm... the engineering that when into the celica must be a hell or a lot better then for that price..

by **Venom** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:28 pm

the ST185 is 1480kg

by **Twolitre** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:21 pm

Venom wrote:the ST185 is 1480kg

With half tank of gas, sunroof and full system 10 options my ST185 weighed 1460Kg on the scales

by **NeverAlive** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:37 pm

one of the reason my mate's looking for a celica is because that's the reasonable price he can afford, and evos, wrxes, skylines are EVERYWHERE. i can hardly NOT to c one skyline or wrx when i go to supermarket 10 minutes drive. he want something different. but got the power as well.

ThePretender wrote:the reason I ended up buying a GT-Four was because I just got sick of seeing those damn evo's everywhere... sure they are quick on the quarter mile, but if you were to race them on the motorway i would almost guarantee the GT4 will beat any evo or wrx- well this is coming from first hand experience hehe

not that i don't believe u, but i just wanna know, what makes u beat those wrx and evos? better driver? better suspension? what is it? i know u can say u beat this car and that, but i like to know why and how? so i know the pros of celica. cheers.

by **DA-seX** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:23 pm

i've heard of a stock ST205 being dragged off (0-400m) on the strip by an I/H/E DC Integra (1.8vtec) - with the celica starting to carch up by the end
(friends of a friend i dont know them really well)

so the weight does handicap them a bit

but some good engine mods would see them heaps faster

by **Twolitre** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:36 pm

DA-seX wrote:i've heard of a stock ST205 being dragged off (0-400m) on the strip by an I/H/E DC Integra (1.8vtec) - with the celica starting to carch up by the end
(friends of a friend i dont know them really well)

so the weight does handicap them a bit

but some good engine mods would see them heaps faster

On an ST205 exhaust + boost = low 13's
I drove a heavily modified DC2 the other night and although it was fast it just doesn't have the horse to match the turbo cars.

by **ThePretender** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:38 am

NeverAlive wrote:one of the reason my mate's looking for a celica is because that's the reasonable price he can afford, and evos, wrxes, skylines are EVERYWHERE. i can hardly NOT to c one skyline or wrx when i go to supermarket 10 minutes drive. he want something different. but got the power as well.

ThePretender wrote:the reason I ended up buying a GT-Four was because I just got sick of seeing those damn evo's everywhere... sure they are quick on the quarter mile, but if you were to race them on the motorway i would almost guarantee the GT4 will beat any evo or wrx- well this is coming from first hand experience hehe

not that i don't believe u, but i just wanna know, what makes u beat those wrx and evos? better driver? better suspension? what is it? i know u can say u beat this car and that, but i like to know why and how? so i know the pros of celica. cheers.

You do have to do a few mods first, I've got a front mount + im boosting 15 psi, but also had the suspension & exhaust done too. The gear ratios are a lot different to the evos, which is what makes it better on the motorway(not that I race or anything, anymore that is..) the evos gear ratio seems to be a lot lower down, where as in my GT4 I can go right to about 130 in second before it cuts out.
The best thing is when you have some prick in an evo pullup with his girl, thinking he will impress her... then he just gets his ass whipped- priceless!

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