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by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:17 pm

bugger.
well its changed then

in that case you will need a cert!

still an easy one though

by **dohca** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:24 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:bugger.
well its changed then

in that case you will need a cert!

still an easy one though

sucks eh

i think the law should be changed to suit modifications more.

by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:28 pm

yes and no....

i mean some of the bull needs to be taken out. but you have to ensure things are safe

but theres is definitly room for improvement

by **Chickenman** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:39 pm

Room for improvement, definately. The thing is if you do ANY modification without a cert, your insurance company will string you up and not pay out. Certification gives us a little peace of mind.

Two chickens in a mini, one says to the other: "I am the god of hellfire."
:roll:

by **TRDWGN** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:47 pm

Mr Revhead....I think you will find you are wrong, it is more than just a bolt on mount that needs changing, yes the main cross member is interchangable and yes the gearbox is identical mounting wise, but while i have not personally tried putting an A series motor into an EE i have it on good authority that the drivers side mount bracket needs to be changed. Please prove me wrong as i would like to get a NZ 3dr shell in the future for an upcoming project and if i can use a EE80 3 dr then it will be much easier to find a minter compared to a pre facelift AE80 3 door!!! :lol:

Also the NZ spec chassis's may look the same but they are not, yes the mechanicals will mostly bolt over however the GT Shell is different in a few areas to the NZ one, what is to say the chassis does not have extra strengthening etc built into it to cope with a more powerful motor? Hence the absolute importance of certification, point in case is the Integra type R, has over 30% more spot welds in the rear quarters among many other subtle changes than the regular Vtec, the chassis's look the same even same basic engine but is definitely not identical...

by **fangsport** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:47 pm

Dear fellow Forum reader,
i would like to take the time to personally thank all those mind-numbed imbeciles that have illegally modded their cars to the extent that a law change was forced upon us. Previously the 20%cc/hp increase allowed for mild changes from 'factory spec', now about the only bloody thing i can legally change from stock is the type of oil/petrol i put in to keep it running.

thanks again

by **matt dunn** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:55 pm

You can tell LTSA is outta control when your car can fail a warrant of fittness because the sticker on your spare wheel is the wrong colour.

AND yes this true and it does happen!!!

Matt

by **fangsport** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:11 pm

or , whilst the lights are functioning they have incorrect makings or none at all

by **Chickenman** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:10 am

Wrong colour sticker? wat nazi hitler place you go to?

by **Rob** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:09 am

How about this..................My sunbird came out with a 1900 Opel sack and a four speed, when I sold it, it had been through 2 or 3 warrants with a V8 front end, 186, and commodore 5 speed, and no one was the wisser.

So Unless it was a knowledgable person doing the warrant then no one is going to notice.

Also last I heard you had to have a 15% horsepower increase to cert an engine.

Not any cc rating

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:11 am

drivers side mount bracket needs to be changed

the r/h inner guard that has the mount bracket attached is the same part for both the ee and ae vehicles.

what is to say the chassis does not have extra strengthening etc built into it to cope with a more powerful motor?

both possible and logical, but i have yet to find any panels that are different. other than a few obvious minor ones like guards.
although it is possible the panels can be the same but the car can have more welds. anyone willing to count welds on their car?

You can tell LTSA is outta control when your car can fail a warrant of fittness because the sticker on your spare wheel is the wrong colour.

yup that happens, if you dont have to correct sticker on your space saver it fails

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:31 am

oh and i found the info i had on certs.... got it when i was looking to put a v8 in my van before some f**ker stole it!!

was dated 2000....... :oops:

by **Chickenman** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:14 pm

Rob wrote:Also last I heard you had to have a 15% horsepower increase to cert an engine. Not any cc rating

20%

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/CertThresholdSc ... il04V3.pdf

Good idea to read up on things, then you actually know

by **ee904age** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:37 pm

"the r/h inner guard that has the mount bracket attached is the same part for both the ee and ae vehicles."

Nope, they are not. The AE mount is about 50mm further foward than the EE so therefore you will have to take the EE mount off and weld in an AE mount, I may be wrong but that is a structural modification is it not???

by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:17 pm

N1-spec pmd me on this and ill put a brief version of what i told him:

ee80 and ae80 series vehicles share the SAME inner guard, the mount bracket is part of the inner guard so you can drop a 4age straight in.

the ae90 and ee90 vehicles also share the same inner guard, but theres a catch.... on the 80 series the bracket is on the inner guard, in the 90 series its on the chassis rail, and they ARE different. the ce and ee share the same one while the ae has a different one.

so when you look at the original topic youll see that he has an ee80 so the posts i wrote before are applicable to that model....

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