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by **jamesbissland** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:34 pm

Hey All,
For the purposes of racing in a 0-1300cc class, has anyone put a 4K into a Ep-71 Starlet?
I've been told that if you were to build up one of the toyota 1300cc engines for racing, the 4K would be the one to go for?

What is everyone's thoughts?

Cheers,
James

by **wde_bdy** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:09 pm

Tempting, very tempting. :lol:

Do some research, the 4k won't quite fit.

You need to look at the E series motors.

Callum

by **~SlideWays~** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:52 am

what he said^^^

EP71 is fwd
4k is from KP6* which is rwd

by **TRD Man** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:49 am

Even if it were practical to make it fit, there's no advantage in using a 4k over a 2E.
2E is a good engine & there have been many raced and rallied in NZ.

Probably the best option for this application though, if you want to change engines, would be the Suzuki 1300 DOHC unit.
Another engine worth consideration is the Echo 1300cc engine which looks like it bolts up to a C52/C56 gearbox.

Carina AA63 · by **kingcorolla** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:56 pm

ye dude a rwd engine in a fwd setup would be alot harder thatn it sounds. not just engine fitment, but driveline aswell. I say stick with the 2e, much similar, performance wise, to the 4k.

Carina AA63 · by **kingcorolla** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:58 pm

ye dude a rwd engine in a fwd setup would be alot harder thatn it sounds. not just engine fitment, but driveline aswell. I say stick with the 2e, much similar, performance wise, to the 4k.

by **jamesbissland** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:21 pm

I always thought the 2E's were a little on the shy side of responding to mods (?) - or should I say compared to the 4K.
Well that has solved that question!
The Echo engine you say...Hmm....vvti
I had a Buget rental Echo about a year ago for 2 weeks, and I must say it went really hard!! Good solid hand brake on it too! -ya know, for parking on those steep hills

What's the engine code for one of those bad boys?
Anyone know factory stats for it?

Cheers
James

by **TRD Man** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:16 pm

I just happen to have one here that we're about to pull out of a car if you're keen.

by **jamesbissland** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:33 pm

Thanks TRD,
What would you be looking at for one?
- Just to get an idea...

Thanks mate,
James

by **matt dunn** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:26 pm

What about a blacktop 20v head onto a 2A block. 1300cc 20V?

may need custom piston for valve clearance etc.
Dont know if it's been done or is possible but..............

by **wde_bdy** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:33 pm

matt dunn wrote:What about a blacktop 20v head onto a 2A block. 1300cc 20V?

may need custom piston for valve clearance etc.
Dont know if it's been done or is possible but..............

Don't see why it wouldn't, the 16 valve head fits.

Callum

by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:17 am

yeah the '2age' has been done before, with quite a bit of sucsess i beleive. would be an interesting way to do it. would probably have more power then either a 4k or 2e

by **jamesbissland** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:44 pm

Are you for real?

What would the set up be? cams, C/R etc?

About the 4K...
I was talking to a guy at work who used to work for Giltrap's, and he said the 4K will fit in fine to the EP-71, and it will mate up perfect to one of the toyota FWD gear box...Cant remember exactly what one tho.

by **matt dunn** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:31 pm

jamesbissland wrote:Are you for real?

What would the set up be? cams, C/R etc?

About the 4K...
I was talking to a guy at work who used to work for Giltrap's, and he said the 4K will fit in fine to the EP-71, and it will mate up perfect to one of the toyota FWD gear box...Cant remember exactly what one tho.

I think he was spinning you a load of bollocks.

by **Stu-** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:02 pm

Ditto

Carina AA63 · by **kingcorolla** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:35 pm

ye the 4k might FIT in the bay but not a direct bolt in. k series engine bolting bolting up to FWD e series mounts....??? as for the gearbox, any1 heard of a FWD k series engine?? sorry dude, thats a yarn if i ever heard one.

by **jamesbissland** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:39 pm

BUGGER

by **QikStarlie** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:36 am

bung a 4e or 5e head on the 2e

by **jamesbissland** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:36 am

Yeah, that could be an option, or I could just go for a whole 4E-FE I guess.
Would the 5E head have bigger valves than the 4E (just thinking 1300 vs 1500)
Going n/a, bigger valves would alway have to be the better way to go.

Carina AA63 · by **kingcorolla** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:23 pm

jus do some reasearch dude.

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