how big is a caldina engine

[GTCRSHR]

hi guys i was just wanting to know al ittle about the calidina engines out of a GT-T

there 2litre Turbo correct ? 4WD

can some one supply me with a lil infor i dont even know what the engine code is

also how big is it in physical size compared to say a silver top 4age ?

thanks guys

[Adydas]

i am makeing an assumption when writeing this.. my bad if its wrong..

2.0 Turbod Engine Code = 3sgte goes into a Car Code = ST215??(w)

as far as putting a 3sgte into a car that has a silver top.. your better off looking at putting a Super Charged 4age into the car and turboing it..

at least it would be easyer to fit..

pers haps im wrong but i belive a decent rule of thumb is First letter of the Car code should match the second letter of the Engine code

ie
* *
4Age = Ae101
4Efte = Ep82

Hope that some wha thelps..

size wise i dont think its overly bigger as such i think the main worry ( the question i THINK your getting at ) is mounting it in your car in replacement for a silvertop etc

[Silent Knight]

Cliff is correct......2l turbo 4WD (ST215) Gen4 3SGTE if I am not mistaken. Rule of thumb is first letter in chassis code meaning you can easily put a 4AGZE into a 4AGE chassis as the mounts are basically the same.

You need to make custome mounts to fit anything else in there. This basically takes a day if you have the correct equipment.

[GTCRSHR]

but it is possible ?

what sort of power figures would you be getting

it would have to be converted to FWD correct ?


is this another one of them COST v PERFORMANCE = bad

i is better off going for 4AGZTE ? custom built which would bring the price up to the same sort of cost as a caldina engine

[Adydas]

i think for the effort and cost involved vs just doing 4agte its not worth it in my eyes..

its alot more work for what? 400more cc assumeing you used same size power turbo..

you would prolly need certs for the made mounts etc.. in my opinion
its not worth the hassel

if you have a Ae101 stick with useing a A series motor.. and power that up 4agze 4agte so on..

is better off going for 4AGZTE ? custom built which would bring the price up to the same sort of cost as a caldina engine

Dont you think its cheaper to get a 4agze and add a turbo as asposed to getting a 3sgte and makeing it fit Cert it to make it legal if needed etc etc..

[wde_bdy]

Both swaps would cost about the same to cert, and both would need cert.

Callum

[Distrb]

but it is possible ?

what sort of power figures would you be getting

it would have to be converted to FWD correct ?


is this another one of them COST v PERFORMANCE = bad

i is better off going for 4AGZTE ? custom built which would bring the price up to the same sort of cost as a caldina engine

heres something that might help you out chris, i asked a similar question a while back

viewtopic.php?t=12449&start=0

has some good links to a couple of british sites that have performed the conversion into Ae101's

[Silent Knight]

anything is possible i mean in CHCH there is a 111 with a 2JZ in it. But 4AGZE/TE would be allot cheaper. If you are thinking about buying a Gen4 3S then go and find out a price on them first as they are $&#$% expensive.

I don't think the 4AGZE conversion would need a cert as it the same size motor eg. 1600cc's I'm not sure if a charger needs a cert or not but i doubt it.

Yes the 3S will have a hell of allot more potential but it would also cost a hell of allot more money to buy the motor, put it in, wire it up and certify it.

[wde_bdy]

I don't think the 4AGZE conversion would need a cert as it the same size motor eg. 1600cc's I'm not sure if a charger needs a cert or not but i doubt it.

Putting a 4A-GE where a 4A-FE was needs a cert, have a look through the WOF manual on the LTSA site for all the requirements.

Callum

[Silent Knight]

I'm not going to argue if it says that but from my knowledge if the new motor has the same cc rating you will not have to cert it and the motor comes out of the same chassis aswell.

You might need a low level cert but I am not sure bout full cert. If LTSA says otherwise then I can't argue but I haven't seen it.

[Chickenman]

Only if the power stays the same... more than 20% increase and it should be certed.

[Silent Knight]

Only if the power stays the same... more than 20% increase and it should be certed.

aaaah that's the specification I was looking for. Cheers for clearing that up Chickenman

I do not think the GZE will make much more than 20% than the silvertop in stock form anywayz someone please corect me if I am indeed wrong.

[wde_bdy]

Only if the power stays the same... more than 20% increase and it should be certed.

Sorry, that only applies for upgrading your current engine.

When changing the engine must be the same or less power than the engine that came in that PARTICULAR car. You cannot just upgrade to an engine found in the same chassis as there are often additional parts that also need upgrading that are beyond the scope of a WoF check. Addition or upgrade of a turbo also always requires cert. A lot of these things will not get picked up on a WoF check but it is better to be informed about them.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/publications/vir-manual/general/2-1a-miscellaneous.pdf

Substitution of engines
when compared with the OE engine, the replacement engine:
- is of the same or less cubic capacity, and
- has equal or less weight, and
- has the same or less power output, and
- uses the same fuel (petrol, diesel, LPG, CNG), and
- uses the same unmodified attachment points and system (ie, bolts-in), and
- uses the same ancillary equipment (accelerator linkages etc), and
- uses the same family of block and cylinder head from the same vehicle
manufacturer, and
- is of the same configuration.

Callum

[GTCRSHR]

hey thanks guys for that hmmm sound like a whole load of arsing about huh thanks andrew seems we have the same idea huh has that 111 been on the dyno to see what its putting out or any 1/4 mile times i would love to see some pictures

[Chickenman]

Only if the power stays the same... more than 20% increase and it should be certed.

Sorry, that only applies for upgrading your current engine.

When changing the engine must be the same or less power than the engine that came in that PARTICULAR car. You cannot just upgrade to an engine found in the same chassis as there are often additional parts that also need upgrading that are beyond the scope of a WoF check. Addition or upgrade of a turbo also always requires cert. A lot of these things will not get picked up on a WoF check but it is better to be informed about them.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/publications/vir-manual/general/2-1a-miscellaneous.pdf

Substitution of engines
when compared with the OE engine, the replacement engine:
- is of the same or less cubic capacity, and
- has equal or less weight, and
- has the same or less power output, and
- uses the same fuel (petrol, diesel, LPG, CNG), and
- uses the same unmodified attachment points and system (ie, bolts-in), and
- uses the same ancillary equipment (accelerator linkages etc), and
- uses the same family of block and cylinder head from the same vehicle
manufacturer, and
- is of the same configuration.

Callum

Dude, we said the same thing? If he puts a ge in there he'll need a cert for no other reason than he has more power.......and weight. I wasn't saying that he wouldn't need a cert.

GTCRSHR: whatever you do, it's gonna need to be certified (otherwise it wouldn't be worth it) I think the 4agze/te is a good option. Just don't take it to my mechanics

[GTCRSHR]

i dont have a problem with getting acert i would rather have it done and know that its safe

im not looking for INSANE power just something different ... for example that 111

and a car that not many people do up for show

[GTCRSHR]

on another not my engine is nice and clean for show shame about the paint on the roof *shakes fist at ozone hole*

[wde_bdy]

Dude, we said the same thing?

Sorry, should have quoted Silent Knight. He seemed to have taken it to mean you can bolt in an engine as long as it was less than 20% more powerful, eg a GZE for a 20 valve rather than the 20% applying to modifications to the current engine.

Callum

[matt dunn]

anything is possible i mean in CHCH there is a 111 with a 2JZ in it.

Was it a road car?
We've done two ae101 with rwd 1/2JZ engines but neither would have a hope of being certed?

Matt

[Silent Knight]

Sorry, should have quoted Silent Knight. He seemed to have taken it to mean you can bolt in an engine as long as it was less than 20% more powerful, eg a GZE for a 20 valve rather than the 20% applying to modifications to the current engine.

Callum

What i meant was stock to stock eg. no mods to either engines but was not sure about charger etc. If LTSA says otherwise then I will accept as previously stated. Just quoting what i've/heard and have been lead to believe

Was it a road car?
We've done two ae101 with rwd 1/2JZ engines but neither would have a hope of being certed?

Matt

I am not exactly sure on all of the specs or if it is registered etc sorry. Others from the forum should be able to provide more information on this.