20v 4age qs

[dskd]

how much would it b to Dry sumped a 20v 4age ?
what r the +s of doing it and how hard would it be to put in to a ke70?
what would u have to do to a 20v to get 200HP ?
and is the much in the way of cost to rwd them ?

[kingcorolla]

dude, dont mean to rant, but it sucks wen someone posts something like this. Basicly youre asking "how do i build my engine, to make it go FAST" "How to i do i put it in. " etc, it sorta makes you sound clueless.

just do a little research, therz HEAPS of info everywere on the net, And therz been about 2000 conversations about building a 20v etc. Save someone from writeing up a HUGE post to answer all your questions.

rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant

*cough*FAQsection*cough



but if someone wants to answer his post in full, be my guest
have a nice day

[wde_bdy]

If you have to ask about dry sumping you probably don't need it and can't afford it.

Callum

[matt dunn]

how much would it b to Dry sumped a 20v 4age ?
what r the +s of doing it and how hard would it be to put in to a ke70?
what would u have to do to a 20v to get 200HP ?
and is the much in the way of cost to rwd them ?

I was reading about dry sump arrangements the other day.
I think a good dry sump pump, lines fitting etc, can be up to $5,000.
They are NOT for road cars.

How much extra power do you get from a dry sump arrangement?
By the time time you run the three pumps etc,....

your car should only lose a few hp if your lucky, quite a few if your not.

They are not a performance enhancement.

[vvega]

they are once you get over 10,000 rpm
you lose a lot of hp though windage

but if you dont plant o rev over 10k
pointless

v

[dskd]

thanks 2 the 2 rell answers

dude, dont mean to rant, but it sucks wen someone posts something like this. Basicly youre asking "how do i build my engine, to make it go FAST" "How to i do i put it in. " etc, it sorta makes you sound clueless.

just do a little research, therz HEAPS of info everywere on the net, And therz been about 2000 conversations about building a 20v etc. Save someone from writeing up a HUGE post to answer all your questions.

rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant

*cough*FAQsection*cough
as to that $&#$% wit i do no how to put a plane 20v in i was asking about puting a dry sumped 20v in a road car as i have been offered one and dont have the weeks to do the research about it its now or sold as for the cost ect the one im looking at is all done but i think its a bit dear but if its up to $5g to dry sump one its a cheap motor then
as to my $$
If you have to ask about dry sumping you probably don't need it and can't afford it.
ur right i dont need it but it all reddy done
u would no what the $&#$% i could afford fool what i own or what i earn fool
whats the point of a car forum what u ask a car Q like wats the deal with dry sumping a motor and u get $&#$% like u to answer well good luck to finding new members and no wonder the forum are getting so slow u ask a Q looking for just 1 or 2 answers put u get 4 or 5 $&#$% reply y u asking that or trying to tell u that u have no money all i can say is thanks to the 2 with the answers agin and to u to $&#$% go $&#$% each other u would make a good couple sorry to all others that have to read this

[CozmoNz]

i wouldnt go flaming everyone on this board mate.....

because if you do, you wont get any help the next time you ask....

now be nice and appologise

[vvega]

mabe if you wrote you question in english and not half txt speek people would understand you

you just ranted at eveone tring to help you but the fact is if you typed it out clearly and asked consise quetions people would be abile t o help you
so in essance its you inability to correcty comunicate your requirements that are wasteing our time and the forums bandwith

so at the end of the day you packed a little paddy simply because you cant comunicate with people

but thats ok next time you post well understand that we have to carefull read what you write for you lack the abilty to constuct sentances and we will take that into accout and make our answers simple for you to understand keeping them to non complex words....


now that yourve read that i hope youve enjoyed reading that load of shit as much as i enjoyed reading yours

if ya wann have a cry piss off somewhere else and do it
this ant the place to paddy throw cockheads that abuse people trin to help them
and to be honest buy the way you speek id say the technical side of a dry sump will be to hard to explane to you given your halfwit replys

ok now lock this please mods ......

oh thats right this ant my forum and i cant tell noone shit
mabe i sould just stfu and move on

$&#$%

[EVLGTZ]

i do no how to put a plane 20v in

Didn't know planes ran on 20v's actually. Its a wonder they even get off the ground running one of those engines

[dohca]

cn s1ne tel mi hw i wpe mi a$s?

[Bling]

cn s1ne tel mi hw i wpe mi a$s?

sure mate, go to ya local supermarket and......oh wait......you're taking the piss

[Lloyd]

/me can count about 23 spelling mistakes in vvegas reply

[vvega]

lol
you sould now by now that my spelling suxs arse
im over it

v

[wde_bdy]

Dude get a clue.

If you did some research BEFORE you asked questions you would know that a dry sump setup is a complete waste of time for anything short of a race car. You would also know you need an 8 to 10 litre oil tank that is often mounted in the car. Where you going to put that and would you like oil lines running through your car?
If you can't make even a little effort to help yourself then why should we bother. You also never said you were looking at a motor that already had a dry sump system, otherwise someone could have pointed out that the motor is very likely to be TOTALLY undriveable on the street. By the time you get to spending the money on dry sumping you are way into race only territory.

Callum

[MR2boy]

shit i thought thats what the toyspeed forum was for, to find information about toyotas and ways to modify them

but i've seen the light its actually a resting place for assholes who know everything there is to know about mechanics to criticise people who come on here to seek help

give the guy a break he just came on here to ask a question why not answer the question if u know something about the topic or else why bother posting

[kingcorolla]

sh*t i thought thats what the toyspeed forum was for, to find information about toyotas and ways to modify them

but i've seen the light its actually a resting place for assholes who know everything there is to know about mechanics to criticise people who come on here to seek help

give the guy a break he just came on here to ask a question why not answer the question if u know something about the topic or else why bother posting

dude, your comment is fair, but i suggest you read his original question..

he basicly said..

"how much would a dry sump installation cost?"
"why should i install a dry sump?"
"how do i build a 20v to make it good?"
"how much will that cost me?"

this to me is a bullshitt post, and to me, the reason people ranted at him is because he obviously is to slack to research, and find shit out, and instead he is asking someone to tell him how to build his car. People dont want to answer that shitt

maybe if his post was more like..
"i am interested in drysumping a 20v race engine, can someone elaberate on this topic for me?" Then maybe a half decent thread on dry sumping would of started.

but the funny thing is, he then claimed the dry sump system was ALREADY installed..

ur right i dont need it, but its all reddy done"

so WTF?!

thats why no-one really answered his question.

[RedMist]

In regards to the original question. If your taking an engine that is already dry sumped and placing it in a Corolla then you will need to alter the size of the tank.. if you manage to fit it in. The plumbing will also need to be altered... and of course your adding complexity that isn't really desigend to do many k's, and costs a bundle to maintain. The pumps need constant attention as will the additional belt. The dizzy will more than likely foul the firewall (if there is one), the water plumbing will also foul and will either need you to modify and cert the firewall or alter the water plumbing (at great maching cost). Other than that the wiring loom will have to be heavily modified, bellhousing may also not mate (depending on what you were running before) and the crossmember replaced. Your diff and gearbox may not stand up to the power produced by a full race engine and yoiu may find it almost impossible to take off from a standing start with a low rotational mass, big cam engine.
In short racing engines (I've had quite a few and still own a 4age race engine) are a total pain in the arse on the road. So much so that I used to get laughed at in my AE86 during touring stages.

[low_rider]

gees guys take a chill pill and give the noob a break its all good

[dskd]

vvega dont no what ur on about i said thankyou 2 the 2 ppl u being one of them to answer the Q
now this topic could of been round up in 3 or 4 posts of the real answers i see lots of topics on here that i think r a wast of time , space and r simple to answer but i dont go off at everyone thats asks someing i no lots about whats the point of have a place to ask someing u dont no about
and u get , y didnt u look all week or told ur dumb whats is a forum 4 then
?????????????
and yes i no i carnt spell so what dosent stop me doing what i want

[RedMist]

There are other factors you also may wish to consider. What fuel are you going to run in this engine. As the standard silvertop really requires 98 a modified engine will shurely be running on at least Aviation fuel if not a dedicated race fuel. In addition to this fuel being more expensive than standard fuel it's illegal to run it on the roads without a MANZ licence. In fact most pumps that supply race fuel demand to see your licence before you pump.
Maintenance costs are horrific. The Bunderson does less than 2000 km a year (much less this year) but still requires rings and bearings and demands fresh oil after every race (about 100k). And this is without catistrophic failure. You'll be up for much more money if you get a rod failure... you must remember that race engines are designed to be on the limit!
The engine will almost certainly have been competed hard and will require some form of maintenance the day you buy it. I've never known a race engine for sale that hasn't had a HARD life.

Oh and regards to installing it in the corolla... I forgot fuel system. You'll need a high pressure EFI pump and complete new high pressure fuel lines from the tank to engine. If it's a true race engine you'll also want to plumb in a swirl pot and a second fuel pump.