Boy Racer Solution

[Emperor]

It's not always the car.
You can be in a high speed accident in a shitty old Morri Minor, don't say its caused by high powered cars, you're as bad as cops.

Most accidents are caused by stupid behaviour, people pissing around, pulling out, not looking where they go, etc
Speed only makes the crash worse, not make it happen.

[SurfWagon]

Eliminate Finance / Hire Purchases on high powered cars


The will stop the young ones from Hp'ing Evos , Wrxs.

[pc]

I'm totally against over regulation. If people are going to drive badly, then they are going to drive badly. You can't do anything about it. Penalising everyone with more rules/regulations and taxes of different forms just pisses people off. It makes people like me choose between following the laws and ignoring them.
There is no magic answer for solving the needless road death/dismemberment problem. I'm sick of tree huggers saying things like fix the roads, more police patrols blah blah... if people were brought up to respect others then most of these problems would go away.

What I want to know is if I want to practice drifting, where am I going to go without breaking the law? We have skate parks... where are the drift parks?

[CozmoNz]

Eliminate Finance / Hire Purchases on high powered cars


The will stop the young ones from Hp'ing Evos , Wrxs.

and some of the oldies.

My father brought his commodore on *hp over 3 years*. reason being, his credit goes skyhigh. he simply waits for about 2 months, then goes in and pays the rest off in one payment.

all fine and dandy saying get rid of credit, but the baby boomers couldnt buy houses then.

When jimmie of 18 years of age, buys a $25,000 evo, and pays it off over 3 years, he then sells it, settles down with jenny, and puts a deposit on a house.

What? you think an 18 year old is going to just SAVE $25,000 without spending it?!?! GOOD LUCK. Yeh its his own fault, but its what happens.

Yes, i can drive in ice too, had great fun in the rona last winter, my trueno cant turn for shit on it lol.

Im just saying, that sort of driver training (ok, so cops cant drive, anything MORE advanced in full). Emergency situation things, instead of *put your brakes on*, which just causes more shit.

Each year hundreds of people die on New Zealand’s roads, in 2002 53 young people from the age of 15 to 19 died in vehicle related incidents.

Many of these were the focus of much love and attention by their families and had been looking forward to a long and happy life.

Unfortunately some 98% of all crashes are through driver error. When you add youth, lack of maturity, no compulsory insurance, poor testing standards which leads to poor instruction, a driving starting age that would not be accepted by countries around the world who consistently out do New Zealand in yearly road toll rates, you have a major problem.

[bad20v]

Can anyone tell me what is classed as a boy racer?
Is it....

A : A 18 yr old guy with a performance car that has been modified in some way from factory, e.g: mags, exhaust etc that drives the car round in town or to the beach to show it off to his mates and/or chicks, and keeps to the speed limits.

OR

B : A 40 yr old guy with a commodore or falcon that has not been modified from standard, and drives the car round alot faster than the speed limit e.g: between 120 - 130kph on the motorway.

It seems to me that we get picked on alot just for our age not our driving abilities. Sure alot of young people crash their cars, but that comes with experience, but alot of older people blatantly speed because "they've been driving for years". It seems wrong to me. Insurance companies usually deny younger people because they think we have more accidents, and incidents that happen, like the example on the weekend, make it harder and harder for us to get insurance or get lower premiums. It seems like there are a few people out there that disregard the law, not thinking about anyone else, and have crazy accidents. When this happens, we all get shoved back in to the 'boy racer' catagory again.

Just wanted to have a whinge.

[Dr-X]

Get real guys, look at the road for once. Who's causing the most problems? Young people. End of story. Sure, the 40 year olds in their falcons have a bit of a go once in a while, but it's a minor problem compared with the boy racer factor.

Get real people, dont bury your heads in the sand.

[bad20v]

Dude, you should sooooo come live in auckland then. I see older drivers speeding all the time. And they have way more road rage than we do too.

[Dr-X]

They may speed a lot, eg 65/70km in a 50 zone, but boy racers do a lot more stupid shit, like cutting people off, tail gating, burnouts, general annoyance (god I'm sick of loud exhausts that sound like fart boxes, yes I mean you 20v drivers).

[bad20v]

phhhhfffffff

I agree.

But my exhaust doesnt sound like a fart box!!!!!!

[Dr-X]

Trust me, if it's a 20V it does. You just dont realise it yet. One day when you own a car with a real engine, you'll realise it.

[Adamal]

Ok, back on subject.

X is right. I'm not denying that older men don't do stupid things and speed a lot, but how often do you hear of accidents caused by these old men? Obviously nowhere near as much as younger people.
Otherwise there would be a different terminology, wouldn't there?

[Si]

Someone once said, there is never a problem only a solution.

All good when the media push the problem and the problem and the problem, and then the solution is where? hrmmm...

Eliminate Finance / Hire Purchases on high powered cars

The will stop the young ones from Hp'ing Evos , Wrxs

Seems to work for the british (Even though there system is more anal) tone it down a bit and it might work.

What I want to know is if I want to practice drifting, where am I going to go without breaking the law? We have skate parks... where are the drift parks?

Too $&#$% right! skate parks/playgrounds for kids/librarys for the geeks... yet we get well, a pink sticker for being cool! wicked!

[Dr-X]

What I want to know is if I want to practice drifting, where am I going to go without breaking the law? We have skate parks... where are the drift parks?

Too $�$% right! skate parks/playgrounds for kids/librarys for the geeks... yet we get well, a pink sticker for being cool! wicked!

Aaaah, a race track? duh. I dont want you dumb $&#$% boy racers drifting on public roads, no matter how good you think you are.

[Si]

Aaaah, a race track? duh. I dont want you dumb $&#$% boy racers drifting on public roads, no matter how good you think you are.

No need to get nasty, you just solved the problem.

More events designed to let us utilise the potential of our cars......
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I received an email today, as I am sure probably all members of this House did, that put forward the figures of people who have died as a result of racing, wheel spins, intimidating driving, etc., and responsible for 4 percent of injuries, and 0.7 percent of fatalities on New Zealand roads.

The person who sent the email told us that those figures are less than those that attribute death or injuries solely to the poor condition of New Zealand roads. If Clayton Cosgrove is serious about addressing people dying on the roads, why does he not do something about better funding for maintenance of roads? - Nandor Tanczos MP, Green Party Justice Spokesperson.

[Dr-X]

The problem is that everyone sits around waiting for someone else to organise an event, and whines because there are none.

[bad20v]

Thats why I joined a motorsport car club, so I can furfill my need to race my car. We have events on all the time and ive posted a few of them up in other forums. Racing on the road is for idiots!!! bring wat you got to the track! then we will see wat you got!!!

[Si]

Cool cool, but not everyone has tracks......

[wde_bdy]

And when you do organise the events that everyone says they want, no $&#$% turns up and I have to justify to the rest of my club members the money I just lost.

[pc]

Aaaah, a race track? duh. I dont want you dumb $&#$% boy racers drifting on public roads, no matter how good you think you are.

Lets see... Manfield is the closest and is 2 hours away, that's a lot of gas money and 4 hours return trip. *IF* i could secure the track for the day, how much would it cost? I don't actually know but have heard figures in the $1,500 - $3,000 area. too much to bother looking into it further.
If I were to go *practice* somewhere, where to go? There are no options as far as I know, and I am involved in motorsport events in the Wellington area.

[Distrb]

Venues for "practicing" motorsport (e.g. drift parks/whatever) wont happen any time soon, and for one reason alone....

Noise.

I'm sure if motorsport wasnt such a noisy pastime we'd have penty of purpose built facilities and play at.