Boy Racer Solution

[Spannergal]

i think that its important to at least have 3rd party insurance. but don't agree with limiting people moding their cars.

limiting the age at which you can own what is defined as a "performance/boy racer" car will just lead to parents buying the car on the young persons behalf.

[SurfWagon]

No turbos for under 25s..



I think it's fair because a large percentage of accidents by young drivers are by Turboed cars.

Sounds unfair but there are a few young guys out there trying to handle 200 - 300 hp with less than 6 months on their restricted licence.

Plus ownership of the vehicle must be under their own name , not on behalf of the parents.

Parents should take more responsibility for their kids. I wouldn't give my kid a Turbo car. Too many kids these days go from driving a 1300 cc pulsar to a
Gsr etc without understanding basic driving dynamics.

[Dr-X]

I dont agree. I saw something on TV last night where they're talking about limiting under 25's to low displacement cars, or non turbo cars. The fact is, that these days a 1600cc 4age NA produces more than enough power to get anyone into trouble, if they're driving stupidly. I really dont think that limiting powerful cars will help.

[SurfWagon]

I dont agree. I saw something on TV last night where they're talking about limiting under 25's to low displacement cars, or non turbo cars. The fact is, that these days a 1600cc 4age NA produces more than enough power to get anyone into trouble, if they're driving stupidly. I really dont think that limiting powerful cars will help.

Insurance compulsory - no turbos


Insurance premiums made relative to car/engine specification.

[Spannergal]

I dont agree. I saw something on TV last night where they're talking about limiting under 25's to low displacement cars, or non turbo cars. The fact is, that these days a 1600cc 4age NA produces more than enough power to get anyone into trouble, if they're driving stupidly. I really dont think that limiting powerful cars will help.

Insurance compulsory - no turbos


Insurance premiums made relative to car/engine specification.

the thing is that if insurance was to be made compulsory without limiting modifications, etc, as most around here are probably aware the insurance is lower if the car is NA or stock, and so for young people who are the ones most likely to be targeted discourages them from owning modified/turboed cars

thats my 2cents anyway

[pervert]

COMPULSORY insurance for everyone is wrong.

There are people out there, who choose not to be insured, but in the case of crashing (yes, even if it is a $300,000 Merc they write off), they can come up with the cash to pay for their mistake outright.

These people are risk takers, sure, but it should be a right to not pay large amounts to insurance companies for years, and never have to claim, provided the person has the means to pay for an accident should they loose their gamble.

[HZRDIZ]

No turbos for under 25s..



I think it's fair because a large percentage of accidents by young drivers are by Turboed cars.

Sounds unfair but there are a few young guys out there trying to handle 200 - 300 hp with less than 6 months on their restricted licence.

Plus ownership of the vehicle must be under their own name , not on behalf of the parents.

Parents should take more responsibility for their kids. I wouldn't give my kid a Turbo car. Too many kids these days go from driving a 1300 cc pulsar to a
Gsr etc without understanding basic driving dynamics.

I think thats bullshit. No matter what the type of car serious accidents can be caused. You can go high speeds in any car.
I do think youre taking your viewpoint to the extremity - funny that youre over 25 aswell.
If my opinion actually mattered to the government I rekon having engine restrictions on your learners and restricted but uncapped so to speak on your full. If the authorised people testing you on behalf of the government pass you well its the governments fault for employing slackers who dont give a dam. I know for my restricted test i had an ex traffic cop test me and he failed me the first time for something little. Went back a month later and passed with the same guy.
I think the government needs to buck up their ideas regarding the testing and making it harder with limited engine restrictions/non turbos on your learners/restricted.
Plus if youre financing a car you have to have insurance on the car before the loan is approved.
At the end of the way there is goign to be no way to stop "boyracers". They are a part of society now. All that can be done is prolong the enevitable - by doing that theyre a bit older bit more clued up to life and so forth.

[CozmoNz]

I dont agree. I saw something on TV last night where they're talking about limiting under 25's to low displacement cars, or non turbo cars. The fact is, that these days a 1600cc 4age NA produces more than enough power to get anyone into trouble, if they're driving stupidly. I really dont think that limiting powerful cars will help.

Insurance compulsory - no turbos


Insurance premiums made relative to car/engine specification.

hows compulsory insurance gonna stop turbo cars?

we have full on the mr2.... and it dishes out more than enough guts to cause a fair bit of trouble, and with its handeling, its just asking for a handful of fun then again, im saying this after just going for a weee blat in it... dont lean back while gunning it ^_^.

basically, put it this way

if i want an evo, id get an evo, if i want insurance, id get insurance... if i want 400 hp from my evo... im going to get, 400hp from my evo.

its not like were poor or anything, i mean, for example, im making around 400 a week... gfs on 600-700... (man, dont i feel like a big man, stupid no hours.....), if you made me / her pay MORE on insurance, fine, another weeks wages go on them, the rest to the car.

basically, if i want to, im going to do it. end of story, and i suspect the same with everyone else (obviously including pervert), if he wants no insurance, fuk everyone / everything else, he wont have it.

if he wants a 1uzfe twin turbo in his Dx, he can save his pennys, put it in. until you physically stop him, no law would stop him...

but this is interesting, keep goin

[SurfWagon]

No turbos for under 25s..



I think it's fair because a large percentage of accidents by young drivers are by Turboed cars.

Sounds unfair but there are a few young guys out there trying to handle 200 - 300 hp with less than 6 months on their restricted licence.

Plus ownership of the vehicle must be under their own name , not on behalf of the parents.

Parents should take more responsibility for their kids. I wouldn't give my kid a Turbo car. Too many kids these days go from driving a 1300 cc pulsar to a
Gsr etc without understanding basic driving dynamics.

I think thats bullshit. No matter what the type of car serious accidents can be caused. You can go high speeds in any car.
I do think youre taking your viewpoint to the extremity - funny that youre over 25 aswell.
If my opinion actually mattered to the government I rekon having engine restrictions on your learners and restricted but uncapped so to speak on your full. If the authorised people testing you on behalf of the government pass you well its the governments fault for employing slackers who dont give a dam. I know for my restricted test i had an ex traffic cop test me and he failed me the first time for something little. Went back a month later and passed with the same guy.
I think the government needs to buck up their ideas regarding the testing and making it harder with limited engine restrictions/non turbos on your learners/restricted.
Plus if youre financing a car you have to have insurance on the car before the loan is approved.

Please explain why the last half doz accidents have been from Turbo powered cars and hot N/A cars?


Okay I'm 26 and I may be an old fart on this site but I've had 9 cars that have all been N/A. Mild modification to some of the sportier ones. I've been driving since 17 Years of age and in those first couple of years doing the lapping thing the scene was so much more relaxed , less accidents. The reason why it wasn't so bad in mid 90s because there were less turbo powered cars. Its only in the last 5 years that imports have gotten so common and of course cheaper.

Back in my day so called boy racer would be driving around in old Datsuns, Corollas and Early model 323's. There would be the odd R32 Gts-t and Legacy RS.

Most the old cars were gutless wonders , no wonder accidents back then were less than common as they are these days.

[SurfWagon]

Okay -

Scenario:

1. 18 year old gets his licence and wants to buy a turbo car.

2 Insurance company won't insure him unless he gets something N/A, and of course the N/A car won't be some 1UZFE soarer, probably some 4age FX GT

3. He drives his car legally of course

4. One day drags someone at the lights and gets busted by the cops.

5. Insurance company is notified by the police, his insurance is now invalid due to accident.

6. Car impounded for over the period of his reckless driving charge. After this period the young guy tries to find another insurance company to insure the vehicle in order to drive again.

7. The guy struggles to find a company to insure.

8. The Boyracer finally realises it's not wise to speed and cause havoc.

[wde_bdy]

8. The boy racer says $&#$% the system and goes and buy a massively powerful turbo car and ignores the compulsory insurance.

[pervert]

8. The boy racer says $&#$% the system and goes and buy a massively powerful turbo car and ignores the compulsory insurance.

Exactly, it wouldn't work, just like when people currently get disqualified, it doesn't physically stop them driving, so they do.

[CozmoNz]

8. The boy racer says $&#$% the system and goes and buy a massively powerful turbo car and ignores the compulsory insurance.

BINGO .

look, if you wanna, your gonna.

[HZRDIZ]

No I see your point. But the opinions youre offering ie: no turbos for under 25, well youre over 25 so some may view this as kind of biased. Would you be saying that 5 years ago if the situation was the same then?
And before everyone flames me for that im just offering my opnion on his opinion.
I agree with you that people younger than both of us should not have turbos till they have become more experianced at driving.
And as noted before there should be restrictions but at a staggered level.

[SurfWagon]

8. The boy racer says $&#$% the system and goes and buy a massively powerful turbo car and ignores the compulsory insurance.

Exactly, it wouldn't work, just like when people currently get disqualified, it doesn't physically stop them driving, so they do.

9. GO to Jail and you become jail bait to the sisterhood.

[pervert]

This is New Zealand law, keep dreaming...

Offenders even turning up to court for things like that is becoming less common...

[Alex B]

the only let down is if your say 18 like my mate works on a farm hes got a 3.1TD Isuzu MU and in the winter he will probly need it down where he is. What if i want to tow the boat with the old mans cefiro?? Maybe have it so to get a powerful car you need a reason to have one like apply for a 150+ hp licence but you have to have a better reason that ""owa to impress the lustys doin the laps on a saturday night" I dono just an idea.

[V8MOFO]

i cant vote for any of the above...

the top option would never be enforced
the middle option would definatly never be enforced
the bottom one is an option but 15 and 16 year olds arnt causing the problems...

I think the rule where you lose your car is great, perfect answer for it

[HZRDIZ]

Yeh but where is taking youre car going to be any good. If there is finance owing on it and as surfwagon suggested, the money from the sale of your car goes towards driver education and that someone is going to loose out.
If people cant afford insurance cause they have such high repayments on their car if they loose their car theyre hardly going to want to pay for it. All you have to do is let the finance lapse - you may loose your good credit rating but if youve got 20Gs ticked up well then the finance company will loose out.
Plus i think there is actually a law against that anyway

[Dr-X]

the bottom one is an option but 15 and 16 year olds arnt causing the problems...

Too right.