4agte into kp60 .

[1598cc]

had a quick look around the forums about this. basically wanting to do a bluetop 4age into a kp60 starlet then turboing it . aiming to keep under 5000$ so things will be done on cheap.

is there any good sites on the net that have a step by step thing of how to go about it . ive read one about the 20v in a kp60 but doesnt explain a hell of a lot. i noticed that he had to cut into the fire wall.. is this always nessasary.

also, would a hilux diff will be ok to use? or any other form of diff with a LSD?

any other info about it lemme know!

cheers

[RS13]

A turbo 4age into a starlet. $5000 isn't going to get you anywhere, you could probably get a standard blue/redtop in and running for $5k, but a turbo takes a LOT more time and money, getting manifolds made up, intercooler setup, the whole lot tuned properly.

You'll need at least twice your budget to turbo it properly, with a reliable setup, and certification.

With your kind of budget, you could easily get a decent rotary in, or maybe a 2TGEU, and certification. I know of a guy here in Chch (1FAT30 for those who may know!) with a KE30, he just spent $5000 on a rotary conversion, JUST getting the motor, getting it installed and wired up, thats not including cert.

For a reliable setup, you'll need:

4AGZE ($1000 - $1200 from an importer)
W55 ($300) with W - A bellhousing ($200)
RWD inlet manifold ($200)
loom + ecu ($300, very limiting)
or Link ECU (in and tuned, $2000)
installation of motor (fuel pump + lines, mounts, $400)
turbo, oil lines, manifold, intercooler, piping ($1000+)
Hilux rearend with LSD ($500)
custom driveshaft ($250)

That gets you going, on the road. Now you need to be able to stop! Throw on some decent brakes, $400. Handles like a bag of shit? better get some decent shocks and springs, ($600) or better yet, some coilovers ($800). Got pulled up? Need cert, add another $800 or so. Thats around $7500 so far, with the Link. Then add all the little bits and pieces that you didn't think of.. like servicing the GZE. You could go with the bluetop, it would be a lot cheaper, but it won't be anywhere near as reliable.

And as someone here once said, Cheap, Reliable, Fast.. you can only ever have two!

[Bazda]

he will be doign it all him self, and has already turboed his ae92 gtz, so he has some experience.

[1598cc]

A turbo 4age into a starlet. $5000 isn't going to get you anywhere, you could probably get a standard blue/redtop in and running for $5k, but a turbo takes a LOT more time and money, getting manifolds made up, intercooler setup, the whole lot tuned properly.

You'll need at least twice your budget to turbo it properly, with a reliable setup, and certification.

With your kind of budget, you could easily get a decent rotary in, or maybe a 2TGEU, and certification. I know of a guy here in Chch (1FAT30 for those who may know!) with a KE30, he just spent $5000 on a rotary conversion, JUST getting the motor, getting it installed and wired up, thats not including cert.

For a reliable setup, you'll need:

4AGZE ($1000 - $1200 from an importer)
W55 ($300) with W - A bellhousing ($200)
RWD inlet manifold ($200)
loom + ecu ($300, very limiting)
or Link ECU (in and tuned, $2000)
installation of motor (fuel pump + lines, mounts, $400)
turbo, oil lines, manifold, intercooler, piping ($1000+)
Hilux rearend with LSD ($500)
custom driveshaft ($250)

That gets you going, on the road. Now you need to be able to stop! Throw on some decent brakes, $400. Handles like a bag of sh*t? better get some decent shocks and springs, ($600) or better yet, some coilovers ($800). Got pulled up? Need cert, add another $800 or so. Thats around $7500 so far, with the Link. Then add all the little bits and pieces that you didn't think of.. like servicing the GZE. You could go with the bluetop, it would be a lot cheaper, but it won't be anywhere near as reliable.

And as someone here once said, Cheap, Reliable, Fast.. you can only ever have two!

ill have all 3 as i usually do.. i dont care abouts certs, and i aint using a 4agze, just a bluetop 4age; dudes get good power from them . chopped springs is fine for me; just coat hanger them into the shock so they looks captive(untill the cash situation permits). will run extra injectors (greddy rebic II) for fueling. The engine part i can sort myself, it would just be things like mounts, driveshaft, hilux diff, getting engine in etc that im worried about.

mite have a talk to glenn as well, hes done a few of these.

cheers tho!

[86 Power]

Go for it man, will be rapid in a starlet. yeah have a yarn to b. he'll send you in the right direction.

Also, talk to James (ae86_lad) on this forum. He has lots of turbo experience and parts.

I have a sump with oil return and oile cooler return if you want for your project for cheap?

Biggest cost will be the ECU. unless you use GZE computer and loom. Or could go for Megasquirt they're cool.

Hilux diff unshortened with wide wheels and massive flares would look so sick its not funny. You'll need some decent brakes, like Corona or cressida or S13, use the matching lower arm for more track

Crank it mate!

[MetalupYoAss]

RS13's price guide is not very accurate.. you could easily do the conversion if your willing to do the work yourself.. theres a guy on the board selling 4age/KP engine mounts at a good price.. firewall wont need to be cut.. if you can weld yourself or get someone else to, then you can convert the hilux diff pretty easily.. plus do the water pipes and if you can do alloy then you can convert your intake manifold to rwd, even if you cant, any alloy fabricaor will do it for pretty cheap if you cut it for them..
go with turbo bluetop with 2 extra injectors and intercooler, itll be all good.

[RS13]

Yeah, I was just assuming he was going to pay retail for everything.

[Stu-]

mite have a talk to glenn as well, hes done a few of these.

Probably your best option. Glenn, B, Karl, Lance, Matt, Tim.... any of those geezers will be able to answer your questions from experience. That way you wont get the "i read in a magazine..." type answers.

[evil_si]

if my mates 4agte ke30 is anything to go by, a starlet will be loose,

im sure 5k will get you a decent little setup, depending what the car it self sets you back

[suberimakuri]

for the record, a w->a bellhousing is not 200... try 750 retail.
note, these are not a factory part, but Nite Parts bellhousing looks factory.

[evil_si]

and the w-a bellhousings of brendons work a treat, we're running one in the ke30

[3T-Rona]

if ur lookin at Mega Squirt ive got a brand new one un-opened in the original box i bought around december-ish not using it as i have a link now, will sell for $300, they cost $350ish depending on exchange rates and then take about 2 and a half months to get her depending on waiting lists.

[Bazda]

if ur lookin at Mega Squirt ive got a brand new one un-opened in the original box i bought around december-ish not using it as i have a link now, will sell for $300, they cost $350ish depending on exchange rates and then take about 2 and a half months to get her depending on waiting lists.

does that mega squirt control the ignition system on a 4agze dual coil setup?

[suberimakuri]

experimental stage for that atm bazdas

[Grotty]

i sell bolt on mounts for 4age's into kp60's and ke30s and 70s etc.
200

[terrytuffguy]

I'll just put my 2 cents in considering I've done it already. It always seems to cost ALOT more than what you think.......try to be conservative with your figures, realiability is one of the biggest issues especially with doing it on the cheap, believe me!

p.s. Congrats on your 12.9 run Bazda, thats impressive for a front skidder, go the 4ags! If you can imagine your car being rwd then your start to have an idea of what my starlet feels like.