4AGZE into AE111

CrAiG · Post by **CrAiG** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:32 pm

Hey guys

Well as you may of guessed im looking into performing this conversion on my 1997 BZR and have a few questions about it, i have searched for a good hour or so and haven't found bugger all (could be put down to poor search skills lol)

My first question is, will the 4AGZE fit? What i mean is will it bolt straight up to my exsisting mounts for both the engine and gearbox? and is there room in my engine bay for it, i mean will the supercharger fit?

Will my powersteer, alternator and air con units hook straight up?

I have been told by a mate that i cannot use the 4AGZE ecu in my car, is htis true? Will i be able to use the 4AGZE ecu & loom to run the engine? and will me using this ecu effect any of my ABS, Airbags etc?

And last but not least how much approximately does a good 4AGZE motor, ecu & loom go for these days? preferably a low k 7 rib block sort.

I really appriaciate all replys

Thank you very much

1goodidea · Post by **1goodidea** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:01 pm

sorry i wont answer your question because i have a fair idea but i don't want to put you in the wrong direction!

But why do you want to replace your blacktop with a 4agze?

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:06 pm

the prob with the ecu is it also runs wires etc to the dash loom, and that part is very different in a 4agze. as for bolting in, it wont be a drama. but there will be the odd thing that needs altering, but nothing major.

itd prob be easier to rebuit your blacktop with earlier 4age rods and ze pistons and turbo it with aftermarket ecu.

a 4agze loom and ecu will set you back $1500-2000

10k 20v · Post by **10k 20v** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:47 pm

i'd have to agree with mr revhead, but if you really wanted supercharger do all the above and find centrifugal supercharger. If you wanna be different. There is also the point of why you would want to fit an older engine into a newer car

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:51 pm

yes centrifugal... often overlooked, and could be a lot easier to fit.
good thinking that man!

also it would be cool and different

qik20v · Post by **qik20v** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:54 am

if you do a 4agze conversion. ill be happy to take the 6spd off your hands!

rollas22 · Post by **rollas22** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:35 am

Turbo that blacktop of yours!

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:51 pm

rollas22 wrote:Turbo that blacktop of yours!

Get a Silvertop bottom end, GZE pistons and slap a big T3 on that thing!

A turbo 20v BT would be good to see and surely make nice #'s.

CozmoNz · Post by **CozmoNz** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:04 pm

Gavin wrote:
rollas22 wrote:Turbo that blacktop of yours!

Get a Silvertop bottom end, GZE pistons and slap a big T3 on that thing!

A turbo 20v BT would be good to see and surely make nice #'s.

blacktop everything, gze pistons.... thats it

no one has proven how *weak* the blacktop conrods are, and until they do, i stand by them

.

plus shell rev slightly faster

.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:07 pm

they are weaker. quite a lot thinner, and iv seen what happens when you push them to much. they are quite common to have a leg out of bed. esecially in high performance applications

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:09 pm

CozmoNz wrote:
Gavin wrote:
rollas22 wrote:Turbo that blacktop of yours!

Get a Silvertop bottom end, GZE pistons and slap a big T3 on that thing!

A turbo 20v BT would be good to see and surely make nice #'s.

blacktop everything, gze pistons.... thats it

no one has proven how *weak* the blacktop conrods are, and until they do, i stand by them .

plus shell rev slightly faster .

ST has the same rods as the late AE92 and AE101 4agze motors.
This is a pic of the ST/GZE rod next to the BT rod.

About it revving faster, I would use the BT flywheel.

CozmoNz · Post by **CozmoNz** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:11 pm

$&#$%, huge difference.

when do they let go revhead?

why did toyota do this?

rollas22 · Post by **rollas22** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:11 pm

Or better off just buy my car, its had the full engine build and also looks the part! http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 674544.htm

Will save you Money in the long run

ALOT OF MONEY I SHUD SAY!

CozmoNz · Post by **CozmoNz** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:12 pm

rollas22 wrote:Or better off just buy my car, its had the full engine build and also looks the part! http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 674544.htm

Will save you Money in the long run ALOT OF MONEY I SHUD SAY!

you should know, its not the final destination, its the journey getting there

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:14 pm

CozmoNz wrote:why did toyota do this?

They were going to turbo the ST originally to compete with the CA18DET. The BT internals are balanced to all hell.

CozmoNz · Post by **CozmoNz** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:16 pm

Gavin wrote:
CozmoNz wrote:why did toyota do this?

They were going to turbo the ST originally to compete with the CA18DET. The BT internals are balanced to all hell.

hmmm intersting.

wonder why they didnt... need a rwd aplication possibly?

Gavin · Post by **Gavin** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:18 pm

Yeah I dono what they would have put it in,
Levin GT-4? I dont even want to think about it its so disappointing that they didn't.

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:59 pm

Funny how you're a little more concerned when you actually see the pics Cozmo.

As for the balancing, if you've got the engine out and in bits then you might as well chuck fresh bearings and rings in. And if you're doing that then you might as well get everything balanced too

CrAiG · Post by **CrAiG** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:16 pm

Thanks for all the replys guys

I see that most of you are saying to pull the blacktop out and build it with 4AGZE pistons and Silvertop Conrods and turbo it.

So i would need an aftermarket ECU, what sort/brand would be a good choice if anyone has had any good experiences with any. And if anyone has any idea about costs and tuning of these their knowledge would be appriciated.

Also i would probably need some bigger injectors and fuel pump wouldnt i?

Would the crank be up to the task?

Thanks again

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:18 pm

Silvertop crank and rods should be identical to those found in the 4AGZE. As for a computer, a Link may be a good bet as there are quite a few people around who actually know how to tune them. Others will tell you what to go for and what to steer clear of.

I've got a set of 4AGZE rods, pistons, injectors and fuel pump spare here if you are interested.